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Hence the quotations. Usage has plummeted since the initial Twitter migration, because people are realizing that the tradeoffs Mastodon presumes they care enou

Hence the quotations. Usage has plummeted since the initial Twitter migration, because people are realizing that the tradeoffs Mastodon presumes they care enough about to have a worse UX aren’t accurate. For example, people generally don’t care about data ownership, and that’s one of the main reasons Mastodon is designed the way it is, and causes to problems it does.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago
> Usage has plummeted since the initial Twitter migration No, it hasn't. Where did you get this misinformation? That flawed Guardian article that only covered a small period in December when the entire web was less active? Even if you believe their flawed numbers, Mastodon has over a 70% retention rate, which is fantastic (2M MAU down from 2.8M, though, again, their analysis is deeply flawed for a number of reasons). Way back in the early days of Twitter, the media was claiming their retention rate was a mere 15%. > people generally don’t care about data ownership, and that’s one of the main reasons Mastodon is designed the way it is No, it isn't. The main reason Mastodon is designed the way it is is to ensure no one entity controls the platform, therefore preventing any one single person from censoring or promoting a specific agenda. That's a huge problem for many people, in particular the many journalists Elon banned from Twitter and never reinstated.
- SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
  The overwhelming majority of Twitter users do not care about decentralization, and in fact would prefer more censorship of deeply offensive views such as outright racism and hate speech. As for Mastodon's numbers, you can check for yourself, and it isn't good[0]. December 12th has 2,163,975 active users for a total of 5,474,864 Mastodon accounts, and on January 12th, Mastodon has 1,731,986 active users for a total of 5,940,022 people who created an account. That’s a 20% decrease in active users in a month. That's objectively bad, and it's unsurprising. It can't scale, and solves problems most people don't care about. Mastodon is not the future. [0] https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics
  - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
    > That’s a 20% decrease in active users in a month. LOL. 80% retention is bad, now. I cannot think of a more comically skewed view. Most tech startups would absolutely cheer at an 80% retention rate. I'm done with this conversation. I don't personally understand your motivations for wanting to undermine Mastodon, but it's obvious you're engaging in (bad) spin to push a preconceived narrative.
    - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
      I said "Usage has plummeted" you said "no it hasn't" and I proved, using Mastodon's own numbers, that usage has indeed plummeted 20% in one month, so now you move the goalposts to "those are numbers other startups would kill for". Okay, but you realize that's the wrong direction, right? A startup would probably kill for the engagement, but not the directionality. Startups tend to want engagement to go up, not down, as it's doing on Mastodon. But according to you, disliking Mastodon as a Twitter replacement can only be possible if I'm trying to execute some kind of psyops against Hacker News. I can't just dislike the idea of decentralization to enable hate groups or a technology that hasn't risen to the demands of its new users. It has to be some kind of vast conspiracy, some kind of manipulation, for someone to disagree with your point of view... Get a grip. I backed my statement up with facts, and you respond with conspiracy. I think that makes my point all the stronger.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago

> Usage has plummeted since the initial Twitter migration No, it hasn't. Where did you get this misinformation? That flawed Guardian article that only covered a small period in December when the entire web was less active? Even if you believe their flawed numbers, Mastodon has over a 70% retention rate, which is fantastic (2M MAU down from 2.8M, though, again, their analysis is deeply flawed for a number of reasons). Way back in the early days of Twitter, the media was claiming their retention rate was a mere 15%. > people generally don’t care about data ownership, and that’s one of the main reasons Mastodon is designed the way it is No, it isn't. The main reason Mastodon is designed the way it is is to ensure no one entity controls the platform, therefore preventing any one single person from censoring or promoting a specific agenda. That's a huge problem for many people, in particular the many journalists Elon banned from Twitter and never reinstated.

SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
The overwhelming majority of Twitter users do not care about decentralization, and in fact would prefer more censorship of deeply offensive views such as outright racism and hate speech. As for Mastodon's numbers, you can check for yourself, and it isn't good[0]. December 12th has 2,163,975 active users for a total of 5,474,864 Mastodon accounts, and on January 12th, Mastodon has 1,731,986 active users for a total of 5,940,022 people who created an account. That’s a 20% decrease in active users in a month. That's objectively bad, and it's unsurprising. It can't scale, and solves problems most people don't care about. Mastodon is not the future. [0] https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  > That’s a 20% decrease in active users in a month. LOL. 80% retention is bad, now. I cannot think of a more comically skewed view. Most tech startups would absolutely cheer at an 80% retention rate. I'm done with this conversation. I don't personally understand your motivations for wanting to undermine Mastodon, but it's obvious you're engaging in (bad) spin to push a preconceived narrative.
  - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
    I said "Usage has plummeted" you said "no it hasn't" and I proved, using Mastodon's own numbers, that usage has indeed plummeted 20% in one month, so now you move the goalposts to "those are numbers other startups would kill for". Okay, but you realize that's the wrong direction, right? A startup would probably kill for the engagement, but not the directionality. Startups tend to want engagement to go up, not down, as it's doing on Mastodon. But according to you, disliking Mastodon as a Twitter replacement can only be possible if I'm trying to execute some kind of psyops against Hacker News. I can't just dislike the idea of decentralization to enable hate groups or a technology that hasn't risen to the demands of its new users. It has to be some kind of vast conspiracy, some kind of manipulation, for someone to disagree with your point of view... Get a grip. I backed my statement up with facts, and you respond with conspiracy. I think that makes my point all the stronger.