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> In May 2021, Citizen CEO Andrew Frame used the app to place a $30,000 bounty on information leading to the capture of a suspected arsonist in the Los Angeles
by aliasxneo 4y ago
> In May 2021, Citizen CEO Andrew Frame used the app to place a $30,000 bounty on information leading to the capture of a suspected arsonist in the Los Angeles area. Citizen staff broadcast the photo and name of a specific person, encouraging users to hunt them down. It was the wrong person.
Well, that's embarrassing.
- eh9 4y agoHe should be held personally liable
- pnemonic 4y ago[flagged]
- eh9 4y agoCompanies are people until you want to press charges.
- ss108 4y ago? Companies are held criminally liable for stuff sometimes, but what above posters seem to want is for the CEO to be held personally liable.
- eh9 4y agoWell, he did personally misuse the platform, but go for the company. Idk. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know how 230 plays into this, but his actions could have led to an innocent person getting hurt.
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- ss108 4y agoMy b, I didn't realize he did it in his personal capacity.
- Jochim 4y agoThe CEO was the person who personally posted a $30,000 bounty encouraging vigilantes to apprehend an innocent person. The company he was "leading" broadcast that person's photo and name. He should be held personally liable in addition to the company being held liable.
- pnemonic 4y agoAnd people are companies until THEY want to press charges.
- bdowling 4y agoLiable for what, exactly? Generally, if there is no harm, then there is no liability. In this case, there may be a case for defamation, but if the company only reported that the police were looking for a particular suspect, which was true, then maybe not.
- dpkirchner 4y agoAnd an entirely predictable outcome for this sort of product.
- krisoft 4y ago> Citizen CEO Andrew Frame Nomen est omen. Normative determinism strikes again. Frame is gonna frame.
- tines 4y agoI think what you're referring to is called "nominative determinism."
- greesil 4y agoWell, this was the app that was originally called Vigilante, no?
- tpush 4y agoHow in the hell is the CEO not in prison??
- icepat 4y agoReminiscent of the Boston Bomber "manhunt" on Reddit, where they named a suicide victim as the bomber. IRC, the family harassed while they were in mourning as a result. Criminal investigations are not something you want to crowd-source.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y agoI cannot overstate how important this is. There are is a real reason why we tried to move away from mob justice as society. The conclusion however is that since mob justice is being demanded more and more often, something is wrong going on with how justice is being dispensed and there is a clear lack of balance in the distribution thereof. Hence the mobs. Frankly, we should all be terrified. I talked with busy-bodies before. My neighbor was one too. They have uses, but that behavior should remain an oddity and not a permanent feature of society. It is asking for real trouble.
- icepat 4y agoAbsolutely. The reason we use a judiciary system is to avoid a major problem of the mob: the most convincing voice is the one that the crowd listens to. You don't need proof, you just need to be compelling. That's the standard of evidence in mod justice. Now, I'm not blind to the fact that the justice system in any country is flawed. That said, it's far less flawed than a group of people with metaphorical torches listening to the guy on the largest soapbox.