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> The data in the study can’t explain why, but the results fit evidence indicating that young people today don’t think now is a good time for them to have child

> The data in the study can’t explain why, but the results fit evidence indicating that young people today don’t think now is a good time for them to have children. > "For those who are concerned about America’s dropping birth rates, this study suggests that there is no need to pressure young people into wanting more kids, Hayford said." This article (and most quoting "low birth rate") are incredibly out of touch. How can you be shocked that in a world where a shooting might not make the news, our politicians don't hide their corruption, and you know, the climate crisis that we've seen coming and still choose to do nothing. No I can't think of a single reason why "young people don't feel like it's the right time".

goalieca 4y ago
> This article (and most quoting "low birth rate") are incredibly out of touch. How can you be shocked that in a world where a shooting might not make the news, our politicians don't hide their corruption, and you know, the climate crisis that we've seen coming and still choose to do nothing. And yet, the world has never been safer in a long time and the statistics show it. The ever rising cost of living and challenges to careers for caregivers are a real concern though.
- Super_Jambo 4y ago
  Past performance may not be indicative of future results. Especially when you're predicting 80 odd years into the future.
- toyg 4y ago
  World =/= US, which is what the article is about.
dahart 4y ago
> I can’t think of a single reason This is depressing, because there is good news out there! I’m sure you’re not alone, that you’re reflecting what the article is talking about. But I feel like this might say more about how we are sharing news and framing the world than about whether this is a good time to raise kids or not. Shootings in the Wild West were a dime a dozen. Politicians have always been shitty. In the mean time, amazing things are going on everywhere in the world. Being unable to think of a single one is a bit frustrating.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Modern social media is probably driving this anxiety about the world.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > This is depressing, because there is good news out there! Good news and amazing things like "Grandpa drives stray dog 1250 miles to surprise grandkids" or "World's Fastest Shoes Invented" don't do much to offset the bad news like "All water on Earth now poisoned and toxic" or "1 billion climate refugees to be displaced by 2050". Maybe shootings were commonplace in the wild west, and politicians were always shitty, but you can't blame people if they don't want to raise children in the wild west, or a crumbling democracy.
  - dahart 4y ago
    See that’s exactly the kind of frustrating pessimism I’m talking about. You’re choosing to downplay what’s going well and choosing to highlight the bad and frame it as hopeless. I wasn’t talking about fluff stories of good news. There is actual, real good news. The climate refugees statement has not happened yet, and the problem with treating it as though it has is exactly what you’re seeing in this story and in this thread: people start acting like there’s no nope and nothing we can do about it, when the reality is that we have time! The problem all along has been a lack of motivation, due especially right-wing skepticism and a concerted attack on public trust in science and government. Now that the skepticism is really starting to evaporate, it would be the most massive and incredible shame if we sat around moping even though almost everyone now agrees it’s real, just because everyone decided it was already hopeless and decided to be depressed about it. Some hopeful people are going to work on solutions, and the more we can spread hope, the more people will contribute. This is hopeful framing is still incredibly important right now, if you want the solutions to get funded with tax dollars! Keeping levels of public trust in government actions on climate change and keeping levels of public trust in science is really critical to avoiding the outcome you’re talking about. Here’s a list of actually amazing things that happened, and this is just the very first Google result I got, the list is very far from complete, there are many more good things happening if you care to look around! https://www.positive.news/society/what-went-right-in-2022-the-top-25-good-news-stories-of-the-year/ https://www.positive.news/society/what-went-right-in-2022-th...
scottLobster 4y ago
Yes, we have a clearer view of the world than ever for those who can discern the truth from the bullshit. But shootings have always happened and are still quite rare, politicians have certainly been more corrupt in our history, and climate change is just that, change. We're not certain which regions are going to benefit and which will suffer. We might all collectively suffer economically from the instability, but the "fiery hellscape" rhetoric is severely overblown. Seems like many in my generation (millennials) and younger are ill-equipped to deal with this glut of information, so they seize up. There are plenty of rational reasons to postpone having kids. School shootings, climate change and political corruption are not among them once you look at the data.
yucky 4y ago
Violent crime is at some of the lowest levels we've seen in decades. A slight uptick compared to the pre-Covid, but way down compared to prior decades. Sounds like the solution is to stop spending so much time on social where the algorithms are built to generate outrage..
PathOfEclipse 4y ago
> How can you be shocked that in a world where a shooting might not make the news Recent increases in gun deaths are primarily driven by poor city neighborhoods that already had a long history of gun violence, so, if you don't live there, why would you be so afraid of gun violence as to avoid having children now compared to 10 or 20 years ago? https://www.brookings.edu/2022/04/21/mapping-gun-violence-a-closer-look-at-the-intersection-between-place-and-gun-homicides-in-four-cities/ https://www.brookings.edu/2022/04/21/mapping-gun-violence-a-... Note that Brookings institute is a solid left think-tank. I completely disagree with most of their conclusions and much of their analyses, but they tend to do a good job in collecting data and are at least more honest than most politically-biased organizations. > Our politicians don't hide their corruption They don't need to, because most people just keep voting for them anyways. If they are willing to do that, why would corruption stop them from having kids? > and you know, the climate crisis that we've seen coming and still choose to do nothing. People have been claiming climate crises nigh on a century, and they've been wrong. Every. Single. Time. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/ https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-e... We have a climate problem, not a climate crisis. I suggest you read or watch some Bjorn Lomberg. What's the point of all this? A bad doctor, seeing symptoms, diagnoses the wrong illness, prescribes the wrong treatment, and makes the patient sicker than before. Birth rates are on the decline, but it's not because of gun violence or existential climate threats, although it could be in part due to the false perceptions people have on these issues from listening to dishonest media corporations, school teachers, university professors, and celebrities.
- toyg 4y ago
  > if you don't live [in poor neighbourhoods], why would you be so afraid of gun violence Probably because of school shootings having become commonplace even in "regular" neighbourhoods. Wikipedia lists 102 "incidents" in two years.
  - PathOfEclipse 4y ago
    51 shootings a year in a country with 100,000 public schools, not even counting private and charter schools, is not "commonplace." Your child is statistically 19 times more likely to die in a car accident than from a school shooting based on last year's numbers of 608 versus 32: https://www.toddwburrislaw.com/how-many-children-die-in-car-accidents-yearly/ https://www.toddwburrislaw.com/how-many-children-die-in-car-... https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01 https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year... If you're not having kids because of school shootings then you might have a serious problem and should seek help. And I am not trying to be callous in saying that. I feel sadness for someone who is unnecessarily gripped in fear about the future in that way. You deserve better!
RestlessMind 4y ago
> I can't think of a single reason Please stop spending time online and venture out in the real world (cafes, restaurants, gyms, parks, hills, lakes etc) with real people. World has never been better for humans.

goalieca 4y ago

> This article (and most quoting "low birth rate") are incredibly out of touch. How can you be shocked that in a world where a shooting might not make the news, our politicians don't hide their corruption, and you know, the climate crisis that we've seen coming and still choose to do nothing. And yet, the world has never been safer in a long time and the statistics show it. The ever rising cost of living and challenges to careers for caregivers are a real concern though.

Super_Jambo 4y ago
Past performance may not be indicative of future results. Especially when you're predicting 80 odd years into the future.
toyg 4y ago
World =/= US, which is what the article is about.

dahart 4y ago

> I can’t think of a single reason This is depressing, because there is good news out there! I’m sure you’re not alone, that you’re reflecting what the article is talking about. But I feel like this might say more about how we are sharing news and framing the world than about whether this is a good time to raise kids or not. Shootings in the Wild West were a dime a dozen. Politicians have always been shitty. In the mean time, amazing things are going on everywhere in the world. Being unable to think of a single one is a bit frustrating.

Gigachad 4y ago
Modern social media is probably driving this anxiety about the world.
autoexec 4y ago
> This is depressing, because there is good news out there! Good news and amazing things like "Grandpa drives stray dog 1250 miles to surprise grandkids" or "World's Fastest Shoes Invented" don't do much to offset the bad news like "All water on Earth now poisoned and toxic" or "1 billion climate refugees to be displaced by 2050". Maybe shootings were commonplace in the wild west, and politicians were always shitty, but you can't blame people if they don't want to raise children in the wild west, or a crumbling democracy.
- dahart 4y ago
  See that’s exactly the kind of frustrating pessimism I’m talking about. You’re choosing to downplay what’s going well and choosing to highlight the bad and frame it as hopeless. I wasn’t talking about fluff stories of good news. There is actual, real good news. The climate refugees statement has not happened yet, and the problem with treating it as though it has is exactly what you’re seeing in this story and in this thread: people start acting like there’s no nope and nothing we can do about it, when the reality is that we have time! The problem all along has been a lack of motivation, due especially right-wing skepticism and a concerted attack on public trust in science and government. Now that the skepticism is really starting to evaporate, it would be the most massive and incredible shame if we sat around moping even though almost everyone now agrees it’s real, just because everyone decided it was already hopeless and decided to be depressed about it. Some hopeful people are going to work on solutions, and the more we can spread hope, the more people will contribute. This is hopeful framing is still incredibly important right now, if you want the solutions to get funded with tax dollars! Keeping levels of public trust in government actions on climate change and keeping levels of public trust in science is really critical to avoiding the outcome you’re talking about. Here’s a list of actually amazing things that happened, and this is just the very first Google result I got, the list is very far from complete, there are many more good things happening if you care to look around! https://www.positive.news/society/what-went-right-in-2022-the-top-25-good-news-stories-of-the-year/ https://www.positive.news/society/what-went-right-in-2022-th...

scottLobster 4y ago

Yes, we have a clearer view of the world than ever for those who can discern the truth from the bullshit. But shootings have always happened and are still quite rare, politicians have certainly been more corrupt in our history, and climate change is just that, change. We're not certain which regions are going to benefit and which will suffer. We might all collectively suffer economically from the instability, but the "fiery hellscape" rhetoric is severely overblown. Seems like many in my generation (millennials) and younger are ill-equipped to deal with this glut of information, so they seize up. There are plenty of rational reasons to postpone having kids. School shootings, climate change and political corruption are not among them once you look at the data.

yucky 4y ago

Violent crime is at some of the lowest levels we've seen in decades. A slight uptick compared to the pre-Covid, but way down compared to prior decades. Sounds like the solution is to stop spending so much time on social where the algorithms are built to generate outrage..

PathOfEclipse 4y ago

> How can you be shocked that in a world where a shooting might not make the news Recent increases in gun deaths are primarily driven by poor city neighborhoods that already had a long history of gun violence, so, if you don't live there, why would you be so afraid of gun violence as to avoid having children now compared to 10 or 20 years ago? https://www.brookings.edu/2022/04/21/mapping-gun-violence-a-closer-look-at-the-intersection-between-place-and-gun-homicides-in-four-cities/ https://www.brookings.edu/2022/04/21/mapping-gun-violence-a-... Note that Brookings institute is a solid left think-tank. I completely disagree with most of their conclusions and much of their analyses, but they tend to do a good job in collecting data and are at least more honest than most politically-biased organizations. > Our politicians don't hide their corruption They don't need to, because most people just keep voting for them anyways. If they are willing to do that, why would corruption stop them from having kids? > and you know, the climate crisis that we've seen coming and still choose to do nothing. People have been claiming climate crises nigh on a century, and they've been wrong. Every. Single. Time. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/ https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-e... We have a climate problem, not a climate crisis. I suggest you read or watch some Bjorn Lomberg. What's the point of all this? A bad doctor, seeing symptoms, diagnoses the wrong illness, prescribes the wrong treatment, and makes the patient sicker than before. Birth rates are on the decline, but it's not because of gun violence or existential climate threats, although it could be in part due to the false perceptions people have on these issues from listening to dishonest media corporations, school teachers, university professors, and celebrities.

toyg 4y ago
> if you don't live [in poor neighbourhoods], why would you be so afraid of gun violence Probably because of school shootings having become commonplace even in "regular" neighbourhoods. Wikipedia lists 102 "incidents" in two years.
- PathOfEclipse 4y ago
  51 shootings a year in a country with 100,000 public schools, not even counting private and charter schools, is not "commonplace." Your child is statistically 19 times more likely to die in a car accident than from a school shooting based on last year's numbers of 608 versus 32: https://www.toddwburrislaw.com/how-many-children-die-in-car-accidents-yearly/ https://www.toddwburrislaw.com/how-many-children-die-in-car-... https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01 https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year... If you're not having kids because of school shootings then you might have a serious problem and should seek help. And I am not trying to be callous in saying that. I feel sadness for someone who is unnecessarily gripped in fear about the future in that way. You deserve better!

RestlessMind 4y ago

> I can't think of a single reason Please stop spending time online and venture out in the real world (cafes, restaurants, gyms, parks, hills, lakes etc) with real people. World has never been better for humans.