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Actually there’s more. On Jan 1st several more states laws about animal welfare went into effect whereas before essentially only California had those requiremen
by mint2 4y ago
Actually there’s more. On Jan 1st several more states laws about animal welfare went into effect whereas before essentially only California had those requirements. The supply of eggs meeting those requirements had not been ramped up to meet the step in demand. I expect that disruption will be temporary.
- smaryjerry 4y agoYea this also. Colorado, one of the major state producers requires all chickens who produce eggs for sale to be cage free as of January 1st.
- kibwen 4y agoSame here in Massachusetts.
- justinator 4y agoAs an athlete who eats like a highschool linebacker (in Colorado), I've been watching eggs prices climb up $0.50 each week for a dozen, then jump $3 in one week. Now there's none on the shelves at all.
- amalgamated_inc 4y ago[flagged]
- barbazoo 4y agoThey definitely did help the chickens.
- HideousKojima 4y agoUnfortunately for the chickens, a government is supposed to serve the interests and well-being of its citizens, not that of its livestock (insert joke about there being no difference).
- NineStarPoint 4y agoMaybe the majority of the citizens wants to live in a society that is kinder to animals? (That said citizens might not fully appreciate the knock on effects that will have on costs is a separate question. Do people actually want to be kinder to animals if it means eggs cost twice as much?)
- amalgamated_inc 4y agoWell those people can already buy free-range chickens. This is preventing people who'd rather pay less for cruelly-treated chickens from making that choice.
- barbazoo 4y agoGiven that it's a democratically elected government that made the regulation I don't think there is anything the "people who'd rather pay less for cruelly-treated chickens" can do here other than try to lobby for the rule to be reverted or moving somewhere where animals can be treated "cruelly" without repercussions. It's not always only a question of free market.
- amalgamated_inc 4y agoThis argument I'll classify as "might makes right."
- barbazoo 4y agoNot a big fan of democracy then I'll take it?
- mint2 4y agoTreating the short term adjustment effects of a new rule as the same as the eventual steady state impact of the rule makes arguments against new rules seem deceptive and misleading
- amalgamated_inc 4y agoIgnoring the cumulative burden of infinite bureaucracy and surveillance seems deceptive and misleading
- mullingitover 4y agoAt least in California it was more like "We voted for this in overwhelming numbers because industrialized animal cruelty does not align with our society's values."[1] [1] https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_12,_Farm_Animal_Confinement_Initiative_(2018) https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_12,_Farm_Anim...
- jwineinger 4y agoWhat is the intent of this change?
- phpisthebest 4y agoSo why then are my Pasture Raised Organic eggs increasing at the same rate as budget eggs. These regulations would not impact those operations
- RC_ITR 4y agoDemand is a conveyer belt. Someone who has disposable income but doesn't care would buy normal eggs before, lowering the demand for regulation-compliant eggs. Now, the store only stocks regulation compliant eggs, so that's what the person buys, increasing demand.
- xeromal 4y agoNot seeing that here in LA. The organic brown eggs seem to be holding price pretty well. I thought it was just slow movement and that the next shipment would have higher prices but so far so good.
- sokoloff 4y agoBecause the seller of those eggs can raise prices while they are (at least for now) in possession of an item which has excess demand relative to supply. You could look at this as compensation for early adoption of tighter regulations, as a natural variation in the prospects of their business, or as evil price-gouging. Which you choose to focus on is a choice that will vary from person to person.
- fnovd 4y agoBecause the company you are buying from what doing the minimum to achieve the "Pasture Raised Organic" label, which is not a very high bar. These laws impact them just as much as the "budget eggs". To be a "free-range" or "pasture-raised" chicken you simply need access to the outdoors. So, these animals are kept in the same cramped, feces-filled hothouses that the "budget chickens" are, but there's a tiny hole in the side of the barn where they can access a tiny bit of grass. That's it. There is no incentive for these companies to do anything above the bare minimum; you will never find a large-scale egg supplier that raises chickens in the idyllic environment you may picture in your head.