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There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated

There may be pockets in India where caste still impacts your life (mostly poor, uneducated and backward villages), but in major cities where people are educated and modern, caste is not significant. More on that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-not-past.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-n...

HarryHirsch 4y ago
Wait - if that's the case, why is caste an issue at Oracle, up to the point where there's federal lawsuits? Are the Indian employees at that firm all from backwards villages?
- petilon 4y ago
  If someone finds a way to make a buck through a lawsuit they will do it. Just because someone filed a lawsuit doesn't make it true.
  - phone8675309 4y ago
    And just because you are being dismissive doesn't make it false.
adamsmith143 4y ago
This just isn't correct. Not only is it still pervasive in India it actively impacts US Indian immigrants as well. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...
- petilon 4y ago
  Untrue. You can get people to complain about anything, that doesn't make it true.
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    Just want to point out that the unnatural vigor with which HN and other forums reject the idea of Caste Discrimination is telling. If this were White on Minority racism for instance people defending it in this way would be ostracized and most would say that it this type of discrimination is beyond the pale and call for vigorous investigation into the claims. Instead all we see about Caste discrimination is "it doesn't exist", "it's manufactured", "it's not a problem". It's frankly glaring.
    - abc_lisper 4y ago
      Your intuition is on point. It is very much alive in India.
    - bigtex 4y ago
      That is exactly the point I was going to make. Thank you.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      That's because people on HN are vastly more familiar with things in their own country, and see and hear abject racism among their own folks. For example, the classic uncle at the Thanksgiving table, or a grandparent. They have no context of Indian caste system, and only go by some online articles that have their own agenda to make a bigger deal of the caste system in modern day, than it is.
      - adamsmith143 4y ago
        Thank you for reinforcing my point like nothing I say could.
        belltaco 4y ago
        It's funny how folks like you have zero clue or context about the caste system in India yet read a couple of agenda based biased articles and come to nonsense conclusions.
jesuscript 4y ago
People from India need to speak up about this if that's true, because Western readers love articles like this to broadly discriminate.
acdha 4y ago
That's an interesting editorial - it doesn't match what I've heard from multiple people and especially seems hard to reconcile with things like the more recent discussions and lawsuits regarding caste in Silicon Valley: https://qz.com/apple-meta-and-google-must-fight-caste-discrimination-1849415898 https://qz.com/apple-meta-and-google-must-fight-caste-discri...
- petilon 4y ago
  Look, if someone files a racial discrimination lawsuit against your company then does that prove that everyone in your company is racist?
  - phone8675309 4y ago
    No, but it suggests that management/HR _may_ be.
    - petilon 4y ago
      Exactly, so take the lawsuits with a grain of salt.
  - acdha 4y ago
    A single lawsuit isn't proof — that would come out as the case is evaluated — but they're being brought on a regular basis it suggests that there is some kind of problem. I appreciate that this is a subject you care deeply about but I think you might need to start looking for some supporting evidence for your claims. There are a number of people who say discrimination is a problem and it seems unlikely that they're all making it up.
  - HarryHirsch 4y ago
    Accounting firms know that tone is set at the top - look at FTX if you don't believe. Leadership sets the company climate, no one else has the power. When it reaches the stage when actual lawsuits are filed it means that the situation is grave. Most labour disputes are settled informally. The ones that end in front of a judge are usually the ones with merit, the filing party will have consulted with an attorney who will have advised against proceeding if the case isn't watertight.
abc_lisper 4y ago
You got it backwards. There may be small pockets where caste won’t matter, but it mostly does in insidious and invisible ways all the time.

HarryHirsch 4y ago

Wait - if that's the case, why is caste an issue at Oracle, up to the point where there's federal lawsuits? Are the Indian employees at that firm all from backwards villages?

petilon 4y ago
If someone finds a way to make a buck through a lawsuit they will do it. Just because someone filed a lawsuit doesn't make it true.
- phone8675309 4y ago
  And just because you are being dismissive doesn't make it false.

adamsmith143 4y ago

This just isn't correct. Not only is it still pervasive in India it actively impacts US Indian immigrants as well. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro...

petilon 4y ago
Untrue. You can get people to complain about anything, that doesn't make it true.
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  Just want to point out that the unnatural vigor with which HN and other forums reject the idea of Caste Discrimination is telling. If this were White on Minority racism for instance people defending it in this way would be ostracized and most would say that it this type of discrimination is beyond the pale and call for vigorous investigation into the claims. Instead all we see about Caste discrimination is "it doesn't exist", "it's manufactured", "it's not a problem". It's frankly glaring.
  - abc_lisper 4y ago
    Your intuition is on point. It is very much alive in India.
  - bigtex 4y ago
    That is exactly the point I was going to make. Thank you.
  - belltaco 4y ago
    That's because people on HN are vastly more familiar with things in their own country, and see and hear abject racism among their own folks. For example, the classic uncle at the Thanksgiving table, or a grandparent. They have no context of Indian caste system, and only go by some online articles that have their own agenda to make a bigger deal of the caste system in modern day, than it is.
    - adamsmith143 4y ago
      Thank you for reinforcing my point like nothing I say could.
      - belltaco 4y ago
        It's funny how folks like you have zero clue or context about the caste system in India yet read a couple of agenda based biased articles and come to nonsense conclusions.

jesuscript 4y ago

People from India need to speak up about this if that's true, because Western readers love articles like this to broadly discriminate.

acdha 4y ago

That's an interesting editorial - it doesn't match what I've heard from multiple people and especially seems hard to reconcile with things like the more recent discussions and lawsuits regarding caste in Silicon Valley: https://qz.com/apple-meta-and-google-must-fight-caste-discrimination-1849415898 https://qz.com/apple-meta-and-google-must-fight-caste-discri...

petilon 4y ago
Look, if someone files a racial discrimination lawsuit against your company then does that prove that everyone in your company is racist?
- phone8675309 4y ago
  No, but it suggests that management/HR _may_ be.
  - petilon 4y ago
    Exactly, so take the lawsuits with a grain of salt.
- acdha 4y ago
  A single lawsuit isn't proof — that would come out as the case is evaluated — but they're being brought on a regular basis it suggests that there is some kind of problem. I appreciate that this is a subject you care deeply about but I think you might need to start looking for some supporting evidence for your claims. There are a number of people who say discrimination is a problem and it seems unlikely that they're all making it up.
- HarryHirsch 4y ago
  Accounting firms know that tone is set at the top - look at FTX if you don't believe. Leadership sets the company climate, no one else has the power. When it reaches the stage when actual lawsuits are filed it means that the situation is grave. Most labour disputes are settled informally. The ones that end in front of a judge are usually the ones with merit, the filing party will have consulted with an attorney who will have advised against proceeding if the case isn't watertight.

abc_lisper 4y ago

You got it backwards. There may be small pockets where caste won’t matter, but it mostly does in insidious and invisible ways all the time.