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A security camera based on motion sensors that does not have access to the internet would be a good product or DIY project.

by nequo 4y ago

_ea1k 4y ago
Its fairly easy to do if you have VLANs or can put them on their own network.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  You mean by isolating the cameras into a network that doesn't have internet? That might work, but might also be circumvented at some point. I.e Amazon security cameras can use the neighbors cameras network to phone home.
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    Yeah, definitely don't buy cameras with those features as a possibility if you don't personally desire it. Getting regular onvif cameras is pretty easy if that's what you desire. Restrict them from internet access and you don't have to worry about firmware updates too.
glitchc 4y ago
But people want to be able to see what's going on at home while they're away, either at work or on vacation. That's the use case these cameras were invented for.
- nequo 4y ago
  That is not the only use case. Another important use case is to see who broke into your home so that the police can find them.
  - dyingkneepad 4y ago
    Except that in 2023 the police won't even try to look for them. Maybe if you can provide their real address they will consider perhaps doing something about it.
    - nequo 4y ago
      Do actual photos or video footage not help solving burglaries? I have tried looking for statistics on this. The Pew Research Center[1] wrote this in 2020: When it comes to property crime, law enforcement agencies cleared 18.4% of larcenies/thefts, 14.1% of burglaries and 13.8% of motor vehicle thefts. 14.1% is very low. But this figure is not broken down by the type of evidence available to the police. Can a large part of the 14.1% be cases where recordings from security cameras were available? [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about...
    - fnordpiglet 4y ago
      Usually you have to go to the address and be murdered before the police would fall up on the address.
- tedivm 4y ago
  My wife and I have cameras in our home for this purpose. They're unplugged until we leave for vacation, and once we get back they're unplugged again.
  - jollyllama 4y ago
    The implementation wasn't great but SimpliSafe used to have these cameras with an automatic reflective (so you could see it) shutter on them; it was a good concept and I went with it because of that.
altacc 4y ago
This is what security systems used to be and they’re still available. People like the idea of being able to see into their houses themselves but don’t like the idea of anyone else being able to see into their houses. The very small likelihood of the latter is enough to dissuade me from the former.
ccn0p 4y ago
isn't this more/less the definition of CCTV? which is still very much a thing.

A security camera based on motion sensors that does not have access to the internet would be a good product or DIY project.

by nequo 4y ago

A security camera based on motion sensors that does not have access to the internet would be a good product or DIY project.

_ea1k 4y ago

Its fairly easy to do if you have VLANs or can put them on their own network.

411111111111111 4y ago
You mean by isolating the cameras into a network that doesn't have internet? That might work, but might also be circumvented at some point. I.e Amazon security cameras can use the neighbors cameras network to phone home.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  Yeah, definitely don't buy cameras with those features as a possibility if you don't personally desire it. Getting regular onvif cameras is pretty easy if that's what you desire. Restrict them from internet access and you don't have to worry about firmware updates too.

glitchc 4y ago

But people want to be able to see what's going on at home while they're away, either at work or on vacation. That's the use case these cameras were invented for.

nequo 4y ago
That is not the only use case. Another important use case is to see who broke into your home so that the police can find them.
- dyingkneepad 4y ago
  Except that in 2023 the police won't even try to look for them. Maybe if you can provide their real address they will consider perhaps doing something about it.
  - nequo 4y ago
    Do actual photos or video footage not help solving burglaries? I have tried looking for statistics on this. The Pew Research Center[1] wrote this in 2020: When it comes to property crime, law enforcement agencies cleared 18.4% of larcenies/thefts, 14.1% of burglaries and 13.8% of motor vehicle thefts. 14.1% is very low. But this figure is not broken down by the type of evidence available to the police. Can a large part of the 14.1% be cases where recordings from security cameras were available? [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about...
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    Usually you have to go to the address and be murdered before the police would fall up on the address.
tedivm 4y ago
My wife and I have cameras in our home for this purpose. They're unplugged until we leave for vacation, and once we get back they're unplugged again.
- jollyllama 4y ago
  The implementation wasn't great but SimpliSafe used to have these cameras with an automatic reflective (so you could see it) shutter on them; it was a good concept and I went with it because of that.

altacc 4y ago

This is what security systems used to be and they’re still available. People like the idea of being able to see into their houses themselves but don’t like the idea of anyone else being able to see into their houses. The very small likelihood of the latter is enough to dissuade me from the former.

ccn0p 4y ago

isn't this more/less the definition of CCTV? which is still very much a thing.