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What a sad mindset to believe google = internet ...that's just sad, especially for HN

by nix23 4y ago

shadowgovt 4y ago
"Opening a browser and going immediately to a search engine" is how most users use the Internet (proxy statistic; google.com is the most visited web page by a country mile, followed immediately by YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter). A browser that doesn't work with the most popular web pages is not a "browser" for practical purposes of most people. ... which is fine, but I suspect the headline is throwing readers here off because they're equating "browser" to "web browser" and then the actual tool flips their bozo bit when it can't even properly render popular sites in a degraded mode. Perhaps the tool can use better branding: "A general-protocol Internet document browser that can also do some HTML," for example?
- nix23 4y ago
  It's not a browser for "most users", and with your logic there are just two "computers" Apple and Windows. I also have a File-browser on my system and it has nothing todo with html or google. >they're equating "browser" to "web browser" Yes they also also say Cloud = Google-Drive, do you really want to go that route?
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Well, Apple, Windows, and various GNU/Linux distros (as they can also run Chrome and Firefox, i.e. two of the most popular apps, plug in a mouse and keyboard, do 99% of the "computer stuff," so they're fine). Chromebook is probably on the fence since you really have to beat it with a hammer to run Excel on it (depending on how you turn your head and squint, that's maybe true for Linux also, but you can get Excel running on there if you really shoulder into getting your compatibility layers working). ... but nobody considers the Arduino a "computer" in the same sense they consider a Raspberry Pi a "computer" because it can't run general-purpose apps.
    - nix23 4y ago
      Yeah let's stop here, you say people think Linux can run "general-purpose apps" but a raspi cant. Just stop try to prove your right...by moving the goalposts. Arduino is a Micro-controller, Raspberrypi is a SBC -> Single board computer. >>and user community that designs and manufactures single-board microcontrollers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino >>Raspberry Pi (/paɪ/) is a series of small single-board computers (SBCs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi And no, don't start with your "but normal people blabla"...because "normal" people go to wikipedia to learn something ;)
      - shadowgovt 4y ago
        No, a RasPi is a GNU/Linux platform and can run general-purpose apps. You misunderstood my comparison; RasPi is a computer. I'm saying nobody considers an Arduino a "computer" in the same category as a Raspberry Pi is a computer (and similarly, nobody should consider Kristall a web browser, though it is something else, which is cool).
        nix23 4y ago
        > a raspi is a GNU/Linux platform I run BSD/BSD on it and it's not a platform but a Computer. >nobody considers an Arduino a "computer" True, because it's a f*** Microcontroller understood?
        shadowgovt 4y ago
        Yes, we're saying the same thing. And by analogy, Kristall is a "microbrowser" and I think HN had a bad reaction to it because the top-level description was "a browser." It's the Arduino of browsers. That doesn't make it bad, but this site is full of pedants and when you call a tool by a slightly-different name, you get "um-actually'd" to death. (Sometimes, you even get someone swearing at you because they think you don't know the difference between a general-purpose small computer and a microcontroller ;) ).

What a sad mindset to believe google = internet ...that's just sad, especially for HN

by nix23 4y ago

What a sad mindset to believe google = internet ...that's just sad, especially for HN

"Opening a browser and going immediately to a search engine" is how most users use the Internet (proxy statistic; google.com is the most visited web page by a country mile, followed immediately by YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter). A browser that doesn't work with the most popular web pages is not a "browser" for practical purposes of most people. ... which is fine, but I suspect the headline is throwing readers here off because they're equating "browser" to "web browser" and then the actual tool flips their bozo bit when it can't even properly render popular sites in a degraded mode. Perhaps the tool can use better branding: "A general-protocol Internet document browser that can also do some HTML," for example?

nix23 4y ago
It's not a browser for "most users", and with your logic there are just two "computers" Apple and Windows. I also have a File-browser on my system and it has nothing todo with html or google. >they're equating "browser" to "web browser" Yes they also also say Cloud = Google-Drive, do you really want to go that route?
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Well, Apple, Windows, and various GNU/Linux distros (as they can also run Chrome and Firefox, i.e. two of the most popular apps, plug in a mouse and keyboard, do 99% of the "computer stuff," so they're fine). Chromebook is probably on the fence since you really have to beat it with a hammer to run Excel on it (depending on how you turn your head and squint, that's maybe true for Linux also, but you can get Excel running on there if you really shoulder into getting your compatibility layers working). ... but nobody considers the Arduino a "computer" in the same sense they consider a Raspberry Pi a "computer" because it can't run general-purpose apps.
  - nix23 4y ago
    Yeah let's stop here, you say people think Linux can run "general-purpose apps" but a raspi cant. Just stop try to prove your right...by moving the goalposts. Arduino is a Micro-controller, Raspberrypi is a SBC -> Single board computer. >>and user community that designs and manufactures single-board microcontrollers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino >>Raspberry Pi (/paɪ/) is a series of small single-board computers (SBCs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi And no, don't start with your "but normal people blabla"...because "normal" people go to wikipedia to learn something ;)
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      No, a RasPi is a GNU/Linux platform and can run general-purpose apps. You misunderstood my comparison; RasPi is a computer. I'm saying nobody considers an Arduino a "computer" in the same category as a Raspberry Pi is a computer (and similarly, nobody should consider Kristall a web browser, though it is something else, which is cool).
      - nix23 4y ago
        > a raspi is a GNU/Linux platform I run BSD/BSD on it and it's not a platform but a Computer. >nobody considers an Arduino a "computer" True, because it's a f*** Microcontroller understood?
        shadowgovt 4y ago
        Yes, we're saying the same thing. And by analogy, Kristall is a "microbrowser" and I think HN had a bad reaction to it because the top-level description was "a browser." It's the Arduino of browsers. That doesn't make it bad, but this site is full of pedants and when you call a tool by a slightly-different name, you get "um-actually'd" to death. (Sometimes, you even get someone swearing at you because they think you don't know the difference between a general-purpose small computer and a microcontroller ;) ).