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Quite impressive that little Sweden has found the second most elements in the world, 19 of them. https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legacy_

Quite impressive that little Sweden has found the second most elements in the world, 19 of them. https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legacy_blog/06_21_2013_periodic-table.jpg https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legac...

counttheforks 4y ago
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- spoiler 4y ago
  I think they used impressive colloquially. I guess more fitting would be "interesting/amusing" Although, I think yours is a far bigger offence: being intentionally ignorant for the purpose of being an asshole online
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    i'm genuinely curious what about their comment makes them an asshole. the comment is a bit dismissive, but hardly assholish
    - tomrod 4y ago
      Collapse of the behavioral wave function due to observation?
    - BigJ1211 4y ago
      It just reads as a snarky comment for me, doesn't really add value as everybody with a modicum of english knowledge should be able to understand.
    - pdpi 4y ago
      The combination of being dismissive and adding nothing to the conversation is what makes it assholish. Their only contribution was to shoot down what was an interesting aside.
      - dcow 4y ago
        I don't particularly like the way the comment was delivered either, but it does add to the conversation (as evidenced by the other comments that respond to its content and not its tone). The comment in question is bringing up the point that geography may have something to do with the reported stats, which is another interesting thing to keep in mind.
    - User23 4y ago
      It's also stupid and insulting, because those discoveries have far more to do with the capability of Swedish chemists than they do with geography.
      - null_object 4y ago
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        rejectfinite 4y ago
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        bdhcuidbebe 4y ago
        ta ock nu sueidi sät din sist potatis
        dang 4y ago
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        dang 4y ago
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    - spoiler 4y ago
      Others have pointed out what struck me as assholeish: perceived snarky tone, seems antagonistic for no reason, and completely unproductive. Like, why did they make that comment? I can't see any point other than criticizing and demeaning the other person for their statement (which also seems to be intentionally misinterpreted). Of course, there could be a language barrier (which I didn't think of immediately), in which case I'm the asshole
      - dcow 4y ago
        I actually find it quite interesting that people are jumping to the conclusion that the comment is demeaning. Ambiguous and lacking a particular effort to be explicitly positive, sure. But where is the "criticizing and demeaning" the author part? The comment is bare and terse, questioning whether it's really that impressive when you factor in geography or whether it's more or less to be expected. There is no ad hominem attack. For instance, Japan has good sea food cuisine. Sure that's awesome and nothing to disparage, but neither is it especially impressive considering they're an island. I think this is the point the comment is attempting to communicate.
        spoiler 4y ago
        > actually find it quite interesting that people are jumping to the conclusion that the comment is demeaning. Ambiguous and lacking a particular effort to be explicitly positive, sure. Maybe most of us had worse experience with people than you, and have developed a more cynical model of human behaviour. > But where is the "criticizing and demeaning" the author part? This is just my quick analysis of what is probably more intuitive in my head than well fleshed out. I didn't think about this very hard, but I wanted to indulge you since you put effort into your comment of the situation. It was written very tersely, it was disguised as a question, and it was directly aimed at the author of the comment, not the content of their comment. Also the way they clung onto a narrow definition of impressive seems like a petty attempt to reconstruct the narrative around the original comment's content to show how they're smart and the original poster isn't for "giving kudos" (ie being impressed) to a geographical area. Like I said earlier though, maybe I read too much into it. Also, I have higher standards for comment etiquette on HN than I would on other platforms. Why? I don't really know. Maybe that's a mistake too, clearly.
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- Thiez 4y ago
  Some of those elements they discovered (e.g. chlorine, silicon) hardly require geographic luck to discover, just a beach. Could it be that Sweden just had some enterprising chemists at the right time, rather than just hand-waving their discoveries away as geographic luck?
- mclightning 4y ago
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- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
  The word's definition doesn't exclude it.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    If you keep breaking the site guidelines, we're going to end up having to ban you. We've warned you more than once before (not counting the other place in the current thread): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32100785 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32100785 (July 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26010177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26010177 (Feb 2021) If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- microtherion 4y ago
  What may be impressive about is that Sweden has all these natural resources without falling prey to the resource curse.
- impossiblefork 4y ago
  It's not geographic luck. It's a combination of historical industrial strategy, a culture with love of learning and individuals with a great love of learning who happened to be creative and innovative enough to discover these elements. It's not like these elements are nowhere else. In fact, I don't think any yttrium, ytteribum, etc. is mined in Sweden at all.
plussed_reader 4y ago
The Nova program 'Race to Zero'(I think) has a great overview on Bohr and his contemporaries to induce liquid phase of the lowest elements.
- skrebbel 4y ago
  Bohr was Danish though, so how is this related? Other than Sweden being a boat trip away?
User23 4y ago
Sweden has produced a great chemist or two for sure.
nine_k 4y ago
Sweden has been an industrial powerhouse for centuries, due to its rich deposits of various ores in its relatively young mountains, and excellent access to the rest of Europe by sea. No wonder chemistry was in high regard there for quite some time.

counttheforks 4y ago

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spoiler 4y ago
I think they used impressive colloquially. I guess more fitting would be "interesting/amusing" Although, I think yours is a far bigger offence: being intentionally ignorant for the purpose of being an asshole online
- endisneigh 4y ago
  i'm genuinely curious what about their comment makes them an asshole. the comment is a bit dismissive, but hardly assholish
  - tomrod 4y ago
    Collapse of the behavioral wave function due to observation?
  - BigJ1211 4y ago
    It just reads as a snarky comment for me, doesn't really add value as everybody with a modicum of english knowledge should be able to understand.
  - pdpi 4y ago
    The combination of being dismissive and adding nothing to the conversation is what makes it assholish. Their only contribution was to shoot down what was an interesting aside.
    - dcow 4y ago
      I don't particularly like the way the comment was delivered either, but it does add to the conversation (as evidenced by the other comments that respond to its content and not its tone). The comment in question is bringing up the point that geography may have something to do with the reported stats, which is another interesting thing to keep in mind.
  - User23 4y ago
    It's also stupid and insulting, because those discoveries have far more to do with the capability of Swedish chemists than they do with geography.
    - null_object 4y ago
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      - rejectfinite 4y ago
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        bdhcuidbebe 4y ago
        ta ock nu sueidi sät din sist potatis
        dang 4y ago
        Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been doing repeatedly lot lately, and we ban such accounts. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34385788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34385788.
      - dang 4y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
  - spoiler 4y ago
    Others have pointed out what struck me as assholeish: perceived snarky tone, seems antagonistic for no reason, and completely unproductive. Like, why did they make that comment? I can't see any point other than criticizing and demeaning the other person for their statement (which also seems to be intentionally misinterpreted). Of course, there could be a language barrier (which I didn't think of immediately), in which case I'm the asshole
    - dcow 4y ago
      I actually find it quite interesting that people are jumping to the conclusion that the comment is demeaning. Ambiguous and lacking a particular effort to be explicitly positive, sure. But where is the "criticizing and demeaning" the author part? The comment is bare and terse, questioning whether it's really that impressive when you factor in geography or whether it's more or less to be expected. There is no ad hominem attack. For instance, Japan has good sea food cuisine. Sure that's awesome and nothing to disparage, but neither is it especially impressive considering they're an island. I think this is the point the comment is attempting to communicate.
      - spoiler 4y ago
        > actually find it quite interesting that people are jumping to the conclusion that the comment is demeaning. Ambiguous and lacking a particular effort to be explicitly positive, sure. Maybe most of us had worse experience with people than you, and have developed a more cynical model of human behaviour. > But where is the "criticizing and demeaning" the author part? This is just my quick analysis of what is probably more intuitive in my head than well fleshed out. I didn't think about this very hard, but I wanted to indulge you since you put effort into your comment of the situation. It was written very tersely, it was disguised as a question, and it was directly aimed at the author of the comment, not the content of their comment. Also the way they clung onto a narrow definition of impressive seems like a petty attempt to reconstruct the narrative around the original comment's content to show how they're smart and the original poster isn't for "giving kudos" (ie being impressed) to a geographical area. Like I said earlier though, maybe I read too much into it. Also, I have higher standards for comment etiquette on HN than I would on other platforms. Why? I don't really know. Maybe that's a mistake too, clearly.
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Thiez 4y ago
Some of those elements they discovered (e.g. chlorine, silicon) hardly require geographic luck to discover, just a beach. Could it be that Sweden just had some enterprising chemists at the right time, rather than just hand-waving their discoveries away as geographic luck?
mclightning 4y ago
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- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
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dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
The word's definition doesn't exclude it.
rejectfinite 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  If you keep breaking the site guidelines, we're going to end up having to ban you. We've warned you more than once before (not counting the other place in the current thread): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32100785 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32100785 (July 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26010177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26010177 (Feb 2021) If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
microtherion 4y ago
What may be impressive about is that Sweden has all these natural resources without falling prey to the resource curse.
impossiblefork 4y ago
It's not geographic luck. It's a combination of historical industrial strategy, a culture with love of learning and individuals with a great love of learning who happened to be creative and innovative enough to discover these elements. It's not like these elements are nowhere else. In fact, I don't think any yttrium, ytteribum, etc. is mined in Sweden at all.

plussed_reader 4y ago

The Nova program 'Race to Zero'(I think) has a great overview on Bohr and his contemporaries to induce liquid phase of the lowest elements.

skrebbel 4y ago
Bohr was Danish though, so how is this related? Other than Sweden being a boat trip away?

User23 4y ago

Sweden has produced a great chemist or two for sure.

nine_k 4y ago

Sweden has been an industrial powerhouse for centuries, due to its rich deposits of various ores in its relatively young mountains, and excellent access to the rest of Europe by sea. No wonder chemistry was in high regard there for quite some time.