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A win win relationship can only occur when both parties start from the same position. When one party is starting from not even having basics in their favor (pay

A win win relationship can only occur when both parties start from the same position. When one party is starting from not even having basics in their favor (pay, working hours etc.) the other side has to give a lot more. You cannot start with all the bananas and then declare all new bananas will be split evenly as a win win.

WalterBright 4y ago
> A win win relationship can only occur when both parties start from the same position. I'm so sad hearing people believe this. Your power is the value you provide. That is worth money. Negotiating is a matter of convincing the other party that you will provide more value.
- newswasboring 4y ago
  I am going to be incredibly rude now. This comment is so out of touch with reality I wonder if I'm falling for a troll. I am probably in the same boat as you. I've negotiated my contract with biggest monopolies in my industry. That was done despite the existence of a thankfully good union. Unions only negotiated for basic stuff, pay, hours, healthcare etc. Perks were negotiated by me. But if you think for a second we are in the same boat as a Starbucks barista or Amazon warehouse worker, I'm sorry but you need to sit down with some of these people and hear their stories. If money is your language, then think of it like this, it takes close to hundred thousand euros to replace me while it takes orders or magnitude less to replace labor in a warehouse. Or maybe think about how if a store closes down it doesn't put that much of a dent in Starbucks' 7billion dollar bottom line, but workers can lose homes and sometimes healthcare. In what universe is this an equal position to start from? They are arguing over most basic things like pee breaks man, do you really think management is arguing in good faith if this is a talking point? I know I'm not going to change your mind on an internet forum, but you probably have this issue (also just like me) where it's hard to imagine other people's life situations. That's why I talk with people before judging their movement. Posting a marketing link to show what Starbucks advertises as perks (doesn't even address the low pay) is at best a bad argument and at worst deliberately insulting to a lot of people.

WalterBright 4y ago

> A win win relationship can only occur when both parties start from the same position. I'm so sad hearing people believe this. Your power is the value you provide. That is worth money. Negotiating is a matter of convincing the other party that you will provide more value.

newswasboring 4y ago
I am going to be incredibly rude now. This comment is so out of touch with reality I wonder if I'm falling for a troll. I am probably in the same boat as you. I've negotiated my contract with biggest monopolies in my industry. That was done despite the existence of a thankfully good union. Unions only negotiated for basic stuff, pay, hours, healthcare etc. Perks were negotiated by me. But if you think for a second we are in the same boat as a Starbucks barista or Amazon warehouse worker, I'm sorry but you need to sit down with some of these people and hear their stories. If money is your language, then think of it like this, it takes close to hundred thousand euros to replace me while it takes orders or magnitude less to replace labor in a warehouse. Or maybe think about how if a store closes down it doesn't put that much of a dent in Starbucks' 7billion dollar bottom line, but workers can lose homes and sometimes healthcare. In what universe is this an equal position to start from? They are arguing over most basic things like pee breaks man, do you really think management is arguing in good faith if this is a talking point? I know I'm not going to change your mind on an internet forum, but you probably have this issue (also just like me) where it's hard to imagine other people's life situations. That's why I talk with people before judging their movement. Posting a marketing link to show what Starbucks advertises as perks (doesn't even address the low pay) is at best a bad argument and at worst deliberately insulting to a lot of people.