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Socializing children requires you to be around other children to play with, or get into conflict with. That's part of socializing. When you're homeschooling, it

Socializing children requires you to be around other children to play with, or get into conflict with. That's part of socializing. When you're homeschooling, it's much less likely you have a broad spectrum of other children to interact with, as when you go to an actual school.

voisin 4y ago
On the contrary, the school system groups kids from the same neighbourhoods and the same age together. Some schools also by religion. Homeschooled kids tend to mix with a broader range of ages and geographic basis.
- dathinab 4y ago
  > Homeschooled kids tend to mix with a broader range of ages and geographic basis. or with none or only other members of a religious cult and definitely not the kind of children the parent are biased against the idea that a homeschooling kid from e.g. a very conservative christian family will have a less segregated experience is just funny > same neighborhood one of many many more reasons why neighborhood segregation is a huge problem (independent of weather it's by ethnicity, religion or wealth) > same age one of the thinks some of the nordic countries did change (through their suicide rates are high, but that is more a problem with the geographic location, i.e. not getting much (or any) sun-light in winter).
  - dagw 4y ago
    their suicide rates are high, but that is more a problem with the geographic location, i.e. not getting much (or any) sun-light in winter). That is mostly a myth. While suicide rather in the Nordic countries are slightly above the European average they're not the highest in Europe and below the US. Also the correlation between suicide and not getting enough sun light is at best very weak. If you cluster suicide data on a pr county level in Sweden for example, you'll find a very high correlation with unemployment levels and negative population growth and no correlation with how far north you are.
    - dathinab 4y ago
      What you mention is just showing that economical distress and similar are a _bigger_ factor. But that only implies light is a very weak factor if you assume some trivial linear-ish relationship between factors. Through that is likely not the case. I.e. someone who is already in distress due to other factors is much more likely to not eat properly or take Vitamin D supplements or get out during the short time of the day where the sun is up or get more affected by short days making it harder to have a regular sleep rithm, especially if you are depressed enough to have problems getting out of the bad for hours etc. Non of this does mean you are wrong, but also not that you are right. It's just way more complex and interlocked with other factors then just linear adding up some negative factors.
headsoup 4y ago
If you think about it, the only scenario where that is actually useful is the corporate workplace. Homeschooling children will interact with people in the context of their parents in all places in society their parents visit, and there are a wealth of groups and activities for the kids to join and interact with. Even better, the parents often have more direct insight into their childrens' interactions with others and can advise and support as necessary. The whole 'needs socialising' claim is based on flawed assumptions, lest we assume all kids at school benefit socially from the environments they are in at school, which seems... optimistic. Also, where else in society do you need to be measured in competence against other random local individuals of the exact same age?
- mgkimsal 4y ago
  > Homeschooling children will interact with people in the context of their parents in all places in society their parents visit How is that different from other children?
  - headsoup 4y ago
    They're not at school all day instead of with a parent/friend/relative/etc. Homeschooling is also not just doing the classroom at home, though that is how some parents unfortunately do it.

voisin 4y ago

On the contrary, the school system groups kids from the same neighbourhoods and the same age together. Some schools also by religion. Homeschooled kids tend to mix with a broader range of ages and geographic basis.

dathinab 4y ago
> Homeschooled kids tend to mix with a broader range of ages and geographic basis. or with none or only other members of a religious cult and definitely not the kind of children the parent are biased against the idea that a homeschooling kid from e.g. a very conservative christian family will have a less segregated experience is just funny > same neighborhood one of many many more reasons why neighborhood segregation is a huge problem (independent of weather it's by ethnicity, religion or wealth) > same age one of the thinks some of the nordic countries did change (through their suicide rates are high, but that is more a problem with the geographic location, i.e. not getting much (or any) sun-light in winter).
- dagw 4y ago
  their suicide rates are high, but that is more a problem with the geographic location, i.e. not getting much (or any) sun-light in winter). That is mostly a myth. While suicide rather in the Nordic countries are slightly above the European average they're not the highest in Europe and below the US. Also the correlation between suicide and not getting enough sun light is at best very weak. If you cluster suicide data on a pr county level in Sweden for example, you'll find a very high correlation with unemployment levels and negative population growth and no correlation with how far north you are.
  - dathinab 4y ago
    What you mention is just showing that economical distress and similar are a _bigger_ factor. But that only implies light is a very weak factor if you assume some trivial linear-ish relationship between factors. Through that is likely not the case. I.e. someone who is already in distress due to other factors is much more likely to not eat properly or take Vitamin D supplements or get out during the short time of the day where the sun is up or get more affected by short days making it harder to have a regular sleep rithm, especially if you are depressed enough to have problems getting out of the bad for hours etc. Non of this does mean you are wrong, but also not that you are right. It's just way more complex and interlocked with other factors then just linear adding up some negative factors.

headsoup 4y ago

If you think about it, the only scenario where that is actually useful is the corporate workplace. Homeschooling children will interact with people in the context of their parents in all places in society their parents visit, and there are a wealth of groups and activities for the kids to join and interact with. Even better, the parents often have more direct insight into their childrens' interactions with others and can advise and support as necessary. The whole 'needs socialising' claim is based on flawed assumptions, lest we assume all kids at school benefit socially from the environments they are in at school, which seems... optimistic. Also, where else in society do you need to be measured in competence against other random local individuals of the exact same age?

mgkimsal 4y ago
> Homeschooling children will interact with people in the context of their parents in all places in society their parents visit How is that different from other children?
- headsoup 4y ago
  They're not at school all day instead of with a parent/friend/relative/etc. Homeschooling is also not just doing the classroom at home, though that is how some parents unfortunately do it.