4 ms·

This doesn't require that the dismissed application still have control of the menu, however. It's annoying when you momentarily check a new E-mail message, min

This doesn't require that the dismissed application still have control of the menu, however. It's annoying when you momentarily check a new E-mail message, minimize Mail, and then try to zoom the Web page you're looking at... only to find that it doesn't work because Mail still has control of the menu. And to fix that you have to click on the browser's window, which is a hypocritical admission that the GUI is the expected means of interacting with an application.

sokoloff 4y ago
I rarely find that momentarily checking an email changes the zoom level that I prefer on a web page, but if I did, I think Command-Tab Command-+ would allow me to change it quickly. I much more frequently quickly check an email, close it, and then want to send a new email than I want to change the zoom on a web page as my next action.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  Seriously? The zoom example was only that: an example of an attempt to interact with the "active" application on the screen that fails because the menu does not correspond to the application that's being shown. Feel free to replace the Mail-&-browser example with two applications that YOU might want to bounce between.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Yes, seriously. I believe that, on average, my next task is more likely to be in the same application than the previous application.
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    "I believe that, on average, my next task is more likely to be in the same application than the previous application." So what?
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      I’d prefer that application stay open so that I can accomplish my next task and that Command-N does “make me a new one of what I was just doing, not a new one of the thing I was doing before that”.
      - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
        That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
rad_gruchalski 4y ago
I use cmd+tab and cmd+`, no issues figuring out what has control over what.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  That doesn't get the undesired application off the screen.
  - mikecsh 4y ago
    Then use Cmd-H to hide it. It's a different model to what you are used to and IMHO more flexible and powerful. If you try and keep operating in a manner learned on a different model you will inevitably be frustrated.
    - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
      OK so now we have to issue a series of hotkeys (and then another series to undo them) in order to achieve what only requires half those actions on other systems. There has been no evidence provided to show how this design is "more flexible and powerful," since all the same options exist on Windows, which ALSO offers other options that require half the steps to achieve app-switching.
      - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
        That’s why I just cmd+(shift+)tab and cmd+(shift+)`. No need to use a mouse and it doesn’t bother me that the window stays in the background. Most apps run in full screen anyway. Same with windows: alt+tab (citrix…) is the way to go. I haven’t minimised a window in months. For those special needs, there’s expose.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
sbuk 4y ago
> This doesn't require that the dismissed application still have control of the menu, however. You haven't dismissed the application; you've closed or minimized a document. The application is still active.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  That depends on the application. Most modern applications (fortunately) shun the pile of floating windows that dominated Mac application design historically. For document-centric applications, developers can implement MDI style or tabs and keep their app tidy.

sokoloff 4y ago

I rarely find that momentarily checking an email changes the zoom level that I prefer on a web page, but if I did, I think Command-Tab Command-+ would allow me to change it quickly. I much more frequently quickly check an email, close it, and then want to send a new email than I want to change the zoom on a web page as my next action.

BuckyBeaver 4y ago
Seriously? The zoom example was only that: an example of an attempt to interact with the "active" application on the screen that fails because the menu does not correspond to the application that's being shown. Feel free to replace the Mail-&-browser example with two applications that YOU might want to bounce between.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  Yes, seriously. I believe that, on average, my next task is more likely to be in the same application than the previous application.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  "I believe that, on average, my next task is more likely to be in the same application than the previous application." So what?
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    I’d prefer that application stay open so that I can accomplish my next task and that Command-N does “make me a new one of what I was just doing, not a new one of the thing I was doing before that”.
    - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
      That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

rad_gruchalski 4y ago

I use cmd+tab and cmd+`, no issues figuring out what has control over what.

BuckyBeaver 4y ago
That doesn't get the undesired application off the screen.
- mikecsh 4y ago
  Then use Cmd-H to hide it. It's a different model to what you are used to and IMHO more flexible and powerful. If you try and keep operating in a manner learned on a different model you will inevitably be frustrated.
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    OK so now we have to issue a series of hotkeys (and then another series to undo them) in order to achieve what only requires half those actions on other systems. There has been no evidence provided to show how this design is "more flexible and powerful," since all the same options exist on Windows, which ALSO offers other options that require half the steps to achieve app-switching.
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      That’s why I just cmd+(shift+)tab and cmd+(shift+)`. No need to use a mouse and it doesn’t bother me that the window stays in the background. Most apps run in full screen anyway. Same with windows: alt+tab (citrix…) is the way to go. I haven’t minimised a window in months. For those special needs, there’s expose.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

sbuk 4y ago

> This doesn't require that the dismissed application still have control of the menu, however. You haven't dismissed the application; you've closed or minimized a document. The application is still active.

BuckyBeaver 4y ago
That depends on the application. Most modern applications (fortunately) shun the pile of floating windows that dominated Mac application design historically. For document-centric applications, developers can implement MDI style or tabs and keep their app tidy.