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You greatly overestimate how much Starbucks pays workers.

WalterBright 4y ago
Looks pretty good: https://www.starbucks.com/careers/working-at-starbucks/benefits-and-perks/ https://www.starbucks.com/careers/working-at-starbucks/benef... This even includes college tuition. Besides, the union ought to be able to fund at least one coffee shop, and show Starbucks how to do it right. Banks also offer loans to start businesses, if the applicant has a decent business plan.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > Besides, the union ought to be able to fund at least one coffee shop, and show Starbucks how to do it right. You're blatantly ignoring the point that they are not paid enough to be able to afford to do that.
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    I believe you don't need that much money, actually. The SBA has small business loans that you can get at great leverage. If they wanted, they probably could pool together the money and pull it off for a smaller location. But the practice of the matter is that a non-Starbucks coffee shop is a different proposition entirely to a Starbucks. Access to the installed app base, the brand, the commercial RE management changes the economics of things.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      Starbucks started with one store. There are lots and lots of singular coffee shops. Their owners aren't wealthy.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      You need more money than barely surviving... Again, you greatly overestimate how much Starbucks pays workers.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        Unions have money.
- ben_w 4y ago
  The one thing I don't see on that page (on mobile, if that makes a difference?) is the one thing the parent comment talked about: How much the workers get paid.
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    Didn't check the page, but it's a $15/hr floor. Some make more.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      Thanks; that seems like a low-paid job by US standards?
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      "Average Starbucks Barista hourly pay in Seattle is approximately $19.26" -- sez google
      - ben_w 4y ago
        > 2023 Minimum Wage >For Large Employers (501 or more employees) > $18.69/hour - https://www.seattle.gov/laborstandards/ordinances/minimum-wage https://www.seattle.gov/laborstandards/ordinances/minimum-wa... (I have no idea where the specific Starbucks upthread is supposed to be, so I don't know how relevant Seattle even is).
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Benefits are part of worker compensation. It's things they don't have to pay for themselves, hence money in their pocket.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      Based on renewiltord's stated $15/h, if I assume a 40h week, they earn less than half the US mean wages.

Looks pretty good: https://www.starbucks.com/careers/working-at-starbucks/benefits-and-perks/ https://www.starbucks.com/careers/working-at-starbucks/benef... This even includes college tuition. Besides, the union ought to be able to fund at least one coffee shop, and show Starbucks how to do it right. Banks also offer loans to start businesses, if the applicant has a decent business plan.

guerrilla 4y ago
> Besides, the union ought to be able to fund at least one coffee shop, and show Starbucks how to do it right. You're blatantly ignoring the point that they are not paid enough to be able to afford to do that.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  I believe you don't need that much money, actually. The SBA has small business loans that you can get at great leverage. If they wanted, they probably could pool together the money and pull it off for a smaller location. But the practice of the matter is that a non-Starbucks coffee shop is a different proposition entirely to a Starbucks. Access to the installed app base, the brand, the commercial RE management changes the economics of things.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Starbucks started with one store. There are lots and lots of singular coffee shops. Their owners aren't wealthy.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    You need more money than barely surviving... Again, you greatly overestimate how much Starbucks pays workers.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      Unions have money.
ben_w 4y ago
The one thing I don't see on that page (on mobile, if that makes a difference?) is the one thing the parent comment talked about: How much the workers get paid.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  Didn't check the page, but it's a $15/hr floor. Some make more.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Thanks; that seems like a low-paid job by US standards?
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    "Average Starbucks Barista hourly pay in Seattle is approximately $19.26" -- sez google
    - ben_w 4y ago
      > 2023 Minimum Wage >For Large Employers (501 or more employees) > $18.69/hour - https://www.seattle.gov/laborstandards/ordinances/minimum-wage https://www.seattle.gov/laborstandards/ordinances/minimum-wa... (I have no idea where the specific Starbucks upthread is supposed to be, so I don't know how relevant Seattle even is).
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Benefits are part of worker compensation. It's things they don't have to pay for themselves, hence money in their pocket.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Based on renewiltord's stated $15/h, if I assume a 40h week, they earn less than half the US mean wages.