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It doesn't need to be like this. There can be collaboration to find the best solution for all parties. They can become a communication channel for problems incl

It doesn't need to be like this. There can be collaboration to find the best solution for all parties. They can become a communication channel for problems including security issues. And here is Amazon the one that is treating their employees both bad and as adversaries

WalterBright 4y ago
I don't know any specifics about that case. But in Seattle, the Starbucks employees went on strike to form a union, and they went into the street with signs saying how bad Starbucks was, and how they could afford to pay them more, lots of shouting and hate. Who wants to partner with people who do that?
- fullsend 4y ago
  It’s just as easy to tell a story about how the employees tried to be decent, were ignored or silenced, and had to speak out more aggressively. Your view is clearly biased and it’s a take as old as time - if that darn Dr. King didn’t block the streets, he’d get better results. Just calm down and have a chat, says the already wealthy and happy worker.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    My story was as reported in the Seattle Times, which is consistently pro-union. Besides, even the wealthy like to make money. The employees show them how to make more, they'll listen. If the employer won't listen, the usual thing to do is quit, start their own business, and outcompete them. There are lots of small business coffeeshops. They aren't terribly hard to get going.
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    - fullsend 4y ago
      Talk about cherry picking. The first article I see is a plain report.
      - ninjagoo 4y ago
        > If the employer won't listen, the usual thing to do is quit, start their own business, and outcompete them. There are lots of small business coffeeshops. They aren't terribly hard to get going. After reading through all the comments in this thread, I'm of the opinion that Walter Bright isn't discussing this in good faith. Take his comment quoted above: starting a simple coffee shop requires capital anywhere from $80k - $250k (yes, I have researched this). No hourly wage worker or grouping of workers will have that kind of capital, nor access to it. Walter Bright has argued elsewhere that loans are a thing with a good business plan. Again - it's a bad faith argument because business plans do not fall from the sky - it takes time and knowledge to put one together and if we've learned one thing in America - hourly wage workers do not have time nor education to write one. And oh, Banks do not lend that kind of money simply based on a "business plan", they require collateral, which hourly wage workers do not have. I call <cough> bee <cough> es on Walter Bright's arguments.
        WalterBright 4y ago
        People start businesses all the time, including coffee shops. Yes, they get loans to start them. > hourly wage workers do not have time nor education to write one There are endless books and online resources to help with that. Besides, as a worker in a coffee shop, you have a great opportunity right in front of you to study how the business works. Besides, it doesn't have to be a coffee shop. There are endless businesses that need little to no capital to start. You can even start with a portable coffee cart, which doesn't cost much to lease. > isn't discussing this in good faith It's sad you feel that way. Opportunity in America is all around you. It's why millions of destitute people are desperate to get over the border. What do they see that you don't? Or, to put it another way, I have a positive point of view.
        ninjagoo 4y ago

WalterBright 4y ago

I don't know any specifics about that case. But in Seattle, the Starbucks employees went on strike to form a union, and they went into the street with signs saying how bad Starbucks was, and how they could afford to pay them more, lots of shouting and hate. Who wants to partner with people who do that?

fullsend 4y ago
It’s just as easy to tell a story about how the employees tried to be decent, were ignored or silenced, and had to speak out more aggressively. Your view is clearly biased and it’s a take as old as time - if that darn Dr. King didn’t block the streets, he’d get better results. Just calm down and have a chat, says the already wealthy and happy worker.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  My story was as reported in the Seattle Times, which is consistently pro-union. Besides, even the wealthy like to make money. The employees show them how to make more, they'll listen. If the employer won't listen, the usual thing to do is quit, start their own business, and outcompete them. There are lots of small business coffeeshops. They aren't terribly hard to get going.
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  - fullsend 4y ago
    Talk about cherry picking. The first article I see is a plain report.
    - ninjagoo 4y ago
      > If the employer won't listen, the usual thing to do is quit, start their own business, and outcompete them. There are lots of small business coffeeshops. They aren't terribly hard to get going. After reading through all the comments in this thread, I'm of the opinion that Walter Bright isn't discussing this in good faith. Take his comment quoted above: starting a simple coffee shop requires capital anywhere from $80k - $250k (yes, I have researched this). No hourly wage worker or grouping of workers will have that kind of capital, nor access to it. Walter Bright has argued elsewhere that loans are a thing with a good business plan. Again - it's a bad faith argument because business plans do not fall from the sky - it takes time and knowledge to put one together and if we've learned one thing in America - hourly wage workers do not have time nor education to write one. And oh, Banks do not lend that kind of money simply based on a "business plan", they require collateral, which hourly wage workers do not have. I call <cough> bee <cough> es on Walter Bright's arguments.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        People start businesses all the time, including coffee shops. Yes, they get loans to start them. > hourly wage workers do not have time nor education to write one There are endless books and online resources to help with that. Besides, as a worker in a coffee shop, you have a great opportunity right in front of you to study how the business works. Besides, it doesn't have to be a coffee shop. There are endless businesses that need little to no capital to start. You can even start with a portable coffee cart, which doesn't cost much to lease. > isn't discussing this in good faith It's sad you feel that way. Opportunity in America is all around you. It's why millions of destitute people are desperate to get over the border. What do they see that you don't? Or, to put it another way, I have a positive point of view.
        ninjagoo 4y ago