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At least in the UK, it would very much be the fault of the driver in front, especially if there was that much CCTV footage available (there won't be, which is w

At least in the UK, it would very much be the fault of the driver in front, especially if there was that much CCTV footage available (there won't be, which is why dashcams are important - the US's obsession with blanket CCTV coverage scores a point here). The second car had left a more than adequate stopping distance. The Tesla changed lanes close in front of it and then immediately braked as hard as possible, deliberately. The driver of the Tesla should lose their driving licence. The drivers following the second car weren't leaving enough distance or paying enough attention.

mhb 4y ago
the US's obsession with blanket CCTV coverage Ha ha ha. London, UK?
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  No more and no fewer cameras than any city in the US.
  - mhb 4y ago
    That's just silly.
    - Gordonjcp 4y ago
      It's one of the things I found baffling about the US, is the sheer amount of cameras on everything. People even put CCTV cameras inside their homes. What on earth?
      - mhb 4y ago
        I don't know what you mean by everything and I certainly agree that the U.S. trend is in the wrong direction with private video doorbells, license plate scanners, etc. It is also pretty crazy to put someone else's camera in your house. But I don't get how someone with a UK background could think that the situation here is somehow worse. For example, this lists the top ten most surveilled cities. Nine are in China. Number three is London. https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-08-14/the-top-10-most-surveilled-cities-in-the-world https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-08-14/the-t...
        Gordonjcp 4y ago
        Well, mostly because the article that's always cited about the number of cameras in London is tabloid bunk, an utter fiction. The guy that wrote it wanted a suitably shock-horror piece so he went to the main street of a shitty part of London, counted every CCTV camera he could see everywhere including ones inside all the betting shops, off-licences, pawn shops, cheque cashing places, and so on - all lovely totally-not-dodgy businesses I'm sure - and then multiplied up by the total amount of roads in the UK. If the figures were accurate then every single-track road that's basically just a cow path with tarmac sprayed over it would have a CCTV camera every four car lengths, which is clearly not the case.
        mhb 4y ago
        Well, OK. But how is that different than the huge number of cameras that you mention in the US? Aren't the US cameras similar - doorbells, shops, banks, ATMs, etc.

mhb 4y ago

the US's obsession with blanket CCTV coverage Ha ha ha. London, UK?

Gordonjcp 4y ago
No more and no fewer cameras than any city in the US.
- mhb 4y ago
  That's just silly.
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    It's one of the things I found baffling about the US, is the sheer amount of cameras on everything. People even put CCTV cameras inside their homes. What on earth?
    - mhb 4y ago
      I don't know what you mean by everything and I certainly agree that the U.S. trend is in the wrong direction with private video doorbells, license plate scanners, etc. It is also pretty crazy to put someone else's camera in your house. But I don't get how someone with a UK background could think that the situation here is somehow worse. For example, this lists the top ten most surveilled cities. Nine are in China. Number three is London. https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-08-14/the-top-10-most-surveilled-cities-in-the-world https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/articles/2020-08-14/the-t...
      - Gordonjcp 4y ago
        Well, mostly because the article that's always cited about the number of cameras in London is tabloid bunk, an utter fiction. The guy that wrote it wanted a suitably shock-horror piece so he went to the main street of a shitty part of London, counted every CCTV camera he could see everywhere including ones inside all the betting shops, off-licences, pawn shops, cheque cashing places, and so on - all lovely totally-not-dodgy businesses I'm sure - and then multiplied up by the total amount of roads in the UK. If the figures were accurate then every single-track road that's basically just a cow path with tarmac sprayed over it would have a CCTV camera every four car lengths, which is clearly not the case.
        mhb 4y ago
        Well, OK. But how is that different than the huge number of cameras that you mention in the US? Aren't the US cameras similar - doorbells, shops, banks, ATMs, etc.