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Everyone claiming that the autopilot is at fault for stopping suddenly get something very important very wrong: Stopping a car must be possible at all times. An
by choeger 4y ago
Everyone claiming that the autopilot is at fault for stopping suddenly get something very important very wrong: Stopping a car must be possible at all times. Any automation in a car should always be able to stop the car as the safe default. The same holds for human drivers, of course: Consider the possibility that the vehicle in front of the Tesla just lost some of its load. Of course the Tesla then has to stop suddenly. Considering this behaviour a safety problem is a lazy excuse. At worst, it is a nuisance.
As for the safety distance: This is a valid point. If the Tesla has not kept a safe distance to the following car when changing lanes, there is a problem with the automation. It should always be as defensive as possible. I don't see that from the police report, but the video shows the distance to be rather short, maybe two car lengths. Call it 10m. The second car doesn't really seem to brake very hard (no emergency braking assistant?) and that crash is definitely on the Tesla as it cut the distance, unless the speed limit in that tunnel would be around 20kph or so. But now it gets interesting: The third car does stop successfully. The big pileup happens afterwards.
In conclusion: The big pileup happens because the third car suddenly stops - and rightfully so but the following cars don't keep their distance to that third car. The Tesla getting rear ended is just a lazy excuse for these drivers that simply drive recklessly.
- watwut 4y agoTesla changed lanes quite close to to the first care in pile up and then abruptly stopped. When you are changing the lanes, you are supposed to do it in a way that gives the other driver space. Abolutely nothing was in front of Tesla, nothing could have loose the load.
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- userbinator 4y agoThe same holds for human drivers, of course: Consider the possibility that the vehicle in front of the Tesla just lost some of its load. The difference is that the humans in the cars behind will be able to see that too and anticipate the reason for the braking. In this case, the Tesla just changes into the leftmost lane and then brakes very quickly to a stop for no apparent reason. A human doing the same thing would almost certainly be at fault too. You can see on the video that it's not just suddenly stopping, it's changing lanes (with what appears to be very little room from the car behind) and then suddenly stoppping.
- bavila 4y agoI am convinced the Tesla apologists in this thread are more concerned about the value of their TSLA stock than they are about human life. Clearly, the public has the right to expect that other vehicles on the road will be driving in a reasonable manner. There was no reasonable necessity for the Tesla in that video to maneuver as it did. If a human driver did the same thing for no justifiable reason, the same Tesla apologists would be singing a different tune.