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In Germany you would be covered because line change and break, without a reason, is a deliberate dangerous action. This means that the one doing it is responsib

by Loic 4y ago

In Germany you would be covered because line change and break, without a reason, is a deliberate dangerous action. This means that the one doing it is responsible of the following crash. For the multiple cars crash, if not clear cut, without video recording, all the insurances pool themselves together and consider the drivers as not responsible. Nobody cannot tell if you stopped, got hit in the back and then the front or the opposite.

raphman 4y ago
Huh? In my (German) experience, responsibility for the crash (and thus for the sentence/fine/payout to each driver) is rarely assigned to a single driver in such a case. Instead, it is distributed among participants with e.g. the Tesla driver being 80% at fault for the second driver's damages and the others ramming the second car for 20% (or something like this). I admittedly find it a little bit confusing how many people here assign complete blame to exactly one participant.
- Loic 4y ago
  I asked my lawyer, the fine element is the deliberate and dangerous part of the action without reason. Normally you effectively have shared fault. The question is if in this case the action can be considered as deliberate. The "software" did it, is it deliberate? Is it considered as a failure of the car like the breaking of mechanical part? This is new and the justice will have to figure it out and I am very happy not to have to figure it out.
- jjav 4y ago
  > I admittedly find it a little bit confusing how many people here assign complete blame to exactly one participant. I'd say there is only one car which did a clearly illegal action (sudden lane change followed by brake checking), so the guilt is 100% on them. It's also true that the car behind probably could've been more assertive in braking harder to avoid reaching the Tesla (I wish there was a dashcam to see it from a better angle). But they didn't do anything illegal per se. Also, that second car driver might've been worried of braking too hard to avoid getting themselves rear ended, which is a legitimate concern when having to break hard in traffic. Of course in the end they got rear ended anyway, but couldn't have known that prior to it happening.
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by Loic 4y ago

raphman 4y ago

Huh? In my (German) experience, responsibility for the crash (and thus for the sentence/fine/payout to each driver) is rarely assigned to a single driver in such a case. Instead, it is distributed among participants with e.g. the Tesla driver being 80% at fault for the second driver's damages and the others ramming the second car for 20% (or something like this). I admittedly find it a little bit confusing how many people here assign complete blame to exactly one participant.

Loic 4y ago
I asked my lawyer, the fine element is the deliberate and dangerous part of the action without reason. Normally you effectively have shared fault. The question is if in this case the action can be considered as deliberate. The "software" did it, is it deliberate? Is it considered as a failure of the car like the breaking of mechanical part? This is new and the justice will have to figure it out and I am very happy not to have to figure it out.
jjav 4y ago
> I admittedly find it a little bit confusing how many people here assign complete blame to exactly one participant. I'd say there is only one car which did a clearly illegal action (sudden lane change followed by brake checking), so the guilt is 100% on them. It's also true that the car behind probably could've been more assertive in braking harder to avoid reaching the Tesla (I wish there was a dashcam to see it from a better angle). But they didn't do anything illegal per se. Also, that second car driver might've been worried of braking too hard to avoid getting themselves rear ended, which is a legitimate concern when having to break hard in traffic. Of course in the end they got rear ended anyway, but couldn't have known that prior to it happening.

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