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Ohh, hrmm, ya know we have so many warehouses and this one simply isn't profitable. We need to close this warehouse as part of a cost cutting measure. It is sad

Ohh, hrmm, ya know we have so many warehouses and this one simply isn't profitable. We need to close this warehouse as part of a cost cutting measure. It is sad everyone is out of a job.

noobermin 4y ago
I believe that is illegal. See[0] [0] https://qz.com/2191767/are-starbucks-and-chipotle-union-busting-by-closing-stores https://qz.com/2191767/are-starbucks-and-chipotle-union-bust...
- monero-xmr 4y ago
  > Even if Starbucks and Chipotle are eventually found to have committed unfair labor practices by closing stores, the legal and financial repercussions for the companies will be comparatively light. > “The nature of our labor law now, it actually makes financial sense for companies to break the union law, stifle the drive, and be found guilty,” says Joe McCartin, a history professor at Georgetown University and the co-author of Labor in America: A History. “The most they have to do is pay these employees back wages minus whatever they’ve earned in the intervening time” if the employees got other jobs after the stores closed. “That’s hardly much of a penalty.”
  - causi 4y ago
    I will never understand why there isn't something on the order of an article of the Constitution requiring the penalty for any criminal act must meet or exceed the unlawful profits generated thereby.
    - mathieuh 4y ago
      Because the ones who have the power to make and change the rules are the ones who would lose out from making them stricter. They're hardly going to legislate against themselves.
CobrastanJorji 4y ago
I lost one of my most convenient Starbucks because it unionized and shortly after that became suddenly and completely unrelatedly needed to close because it had become unprofitable. I assume it'll be back in a few months because the economy has recovered and it looks like a good place to open a nice, union-free Starbucks.
- distances 4y ago
  Is it common to have single location unions? Seems to me that this does not add very much negotiation power for the workers. In my country large unions negotiate for a whole sector, so all café workers regardless of their employer are covered by a collective agreement. You don't even have to be a member for the negotiated benefits (such as minimum wage) to apply: the collective agreement covers everyone in the sector nonetheless.
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    They're all under Workers United which is under SEIU. It's a big union.
- mtsr 4y ago
  What I don't get is why these unions need to be limited to a single shop/warehouse/whatever. Why not have a statewide/country-wide union instead? That's how you force a company to talk to you, by ensuring they cannot go around you. I thought the US used to have profession-based unions, such as the teamsters union, who can have members all over the US?
  - cherioo 4y ago
    US still have that, but it’s way easier to bootstrap a small union then expand, as intense lobbying resource (money) is required to have a successful union drive.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  The union could have bought that closed Starbucks and reopened it, and run it as they saw fit.
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Ohh, hrmm, ya know we have so many warehouses and this one simply isn't profitable. We need to close this warehouse as part of a cost cutting measure. It is sad everyone is out of a job.

noobermin 4y ago

I believe that is illegal. See[0] [0] https://qz.com/2191767/are-starbucks-and-chipotle-union-busting-by-closing-stores https://qz.com/2191767/are-starbucks-and-chipotle-union-bust...

monero-xmr 4y ago
> Even if Starbucks and Chipotle are eventually found to have committed unfair labor practices by closing stores, the legal and financial repercussions for the companies will be comparatively light. > “The nature of our labor law now, it actually makes financial sense for companies to break the union law, stifle the drive, and be found guilty,” says Joe McCartin, a history professor at Georgetown University and the co-author of Labor in America: A History. “The most they have to do is pay these employees back wages minus whatever they’ve earned in the intervening time” if the employees got other jobs after the stores closed. “That’s hardly much of a penalty.”
- causi 4y ago
  I will never understand why there isn't something on the order of an article of the Constitution requiring the penalty for any criminal act must meet or exceed the unlawful profits generated thereby.
  - mathieuh 4y ago
    Because the ones who have the power to make and change the rules are the ones who would lose out from making them stricter. They're hardly going to legislate against themselves.

CobrastanJorji 4y ago

I lost one of my most convenient Starbucks because it unionized and shortly after that became suddenly and completely unrelatedly needed to close because it had become unprofitable. I assume it'll be back in a few months because the economy has recovered and it looks like a good place to open a nice, union-free Starbucks.

distances 4y ago
Is it common to have single location unions? Seems to me that this does not add very much negotiation power for the workers. In my country large unions negotiate for a whole sector, so all café workers regardless of their employer are covered by a collective agreement. You don't even have to be a member for the negotiated benefits (such as minimum wage) to apply: the collective agreement covers everyone in the sector nonetheless.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  They're all under Workers United which is under SEIU. It's a big union.
mtsr 4y ago
What I don't get is why these unions need to be limited to a single shop/warehouse/whatever. Why not have a statewide/country-wide union instead? That's how you force a company to talk to you, by ensuring they cannot go around you. I thought the US used to have profession-based unions, such as the teamsters union, who can have members all over the US?
- cherioo 4y ago
  US still have that, but it’s way easier to bootstrap a small union then expand, as intense lobbying resource (money) is required to have a successful union drive.
WalterBright 4y ago
The union could have bought that closed Starbucks and reopened it, and run it as they saw fit.

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