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Wrong. Here’s a video of FSD in use on a freeway. There are hundreds of these. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-RHYbvIZYo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-RHYbvIZ

by 7e 4y ago

Wrong. Here’s a video of FSD in use on a freeway. There are hundreds of these. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-RHYbvIZYo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-RHYbvIZYo

modeless 4y ago
Wrong. You can plainly see in the video (and the hundreds of others) that as soon as the car enters the freeway it switches to Autopilot automatically. The easiest way to tell is the red lines in the FSD visualization disappear when it switches to Autopilot. The transition is completely smooth and the driver doesn't have to know or care at all, so it's not surprising that they were mistaken. But it's relevant here because people are trying to blame this on FSD. On FSD cars the freeway Autopilot is still the exact same Autopilot that non-FSD cars have (with the "Navigate on Autopilot" feature which is more than four years old now). They plan to replace freeway Autopilot with FSD later this year, but it hasn't happened yet.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  If drivers are unlikely to notice the transition and the capabilities are significantly different that seems problematic.
  - modeless 4y ago
    It is not problematic because the capability of Autopilot on freeways is not significantly different to FSD on other roads. Drivers do not need to adjust their behavior based on the system in use. Of course they should keep hands on wheel and eyes on road at all times using both systems, which is enforced with regular nagging and a driver-facing camera.
- somethoughts 4y ago
  My take is that you are probably right in that it is pretty easy for Tesla to place all the blame on the driver of the Tesla and weasel out of any legally required support for the driver via TOS fine legal print in the short term. But after the 10th (or maybe 100th) scenario where Tesla FSD is at fault but Tesla scapegoats responsibility onto the driver who is branded by Tesla's legal team as a dumb/irresponsible/clueless/reckless driver it starts making less sense. That driver is likely to have been a highly loyal Tesla fan/customer/evangelist/believer who paid $10,000 for FSD sight unseen. Long term the evangelists might no longer evangelize and may in fact (correctly or incorrectly) spread the message to the general public that FSD is useless/unfinished feature - leading to long term damage to the Tesla brand.
  - modeless 4y ago
    > you are probably right in that it is pretty easy for Tesla to place all the blame on the driver of the Tesla Whoa now, I didn't say that at all! I'm just talking about FSD vs. Autopilot here. It's entirely possible that Autopilot is at fault! I am curious to see what the investigation will uncover. My point is simply that this situation has nothing to do with FSD. It could have happened four years ago as easily as yesterday, and anyone trying to tie this to recent developments in FSD is being misleading.
  - rblatz 4y ago
    It’s too late, the Tesla fanboy subreddit has been on the FSD hate train for a while now. I’m shocked at how bad autopilot is on my Tesla, my wife’s 2018 Honda CR-V has better “autopilot” in the form of lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control, it can drive the car just like the tesla, but it’s less finicky and operates much closer to the way the writer describes a better level 2 system that monitors you instead of you monitoring it. The tesla demands you pay attention and drive but penalizes you by disengaging if you so much as try to take a slightly different line around a curve. Meanwhile the Honda just bides it’s time until you let go and seamlessly takes control keeping you in the middle of the lane.

by 7e 4y ago

Wrong. Here’s a video of FSD in use on a freeway. There are hundreds of these. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-RHYbvIZYo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E-RHYbvIZYo

modeless 4y ago

Wrong. You can plainly see in the video (and the hundreds of others) that as soon as the car enters the freeway it switches to Autopilot automatically. The easiest way to tell is the red lines in the FSD visualization disappear when it switches to Autopilot. The transition is completely smooth and the driver doesn't have to know or care at all, so it's not surprising that they were mistaken. But it's relevant here because people are trying to blame this on FSD. On FSD cars the freeway Autopilot is still the exact same Autopilot that non-FSD cars have (with the "Navigate on Autopilot" feature which is more than four years old now). They plan to replace freeway Autopilot with FSD later this year, but it hasn't happened yet.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
If drivers are unlikely to notice the transition and the capabilities are significantly different that seems problematic.
- modeless 4y ago
  It is not problematic because the capability of Autopilot on freeways is not significantly different to FSD on other roads. Drivers do not need to adjust their behavior based on the system in use. Of course they should keep hands on wheel and eyes on road at all times using both systems, which is enforced with regular nagging and a driver-facing camera.
somethoughts 4y ago
My take is that you are probably right in that it is pretty easy for Tesla to place all the blame on the driver of the Tesla and weasel out of any legally required support for the driver via TOS fine legal print in the short term. But after the 10th (or maybe 100th) scenario where Tesla FSD is at fault but Tesla scapegoats responsibility onto the driver who is branded by Tesla's legal team as a dumb/irresponsible/clueless/reckless driver it starts making less sense. That driver is likely to have been a highly loyal Tesla fan/customer/evangelist/believer who paid $10,000 for FSD sight unseen. Long term the evangelists might no longer evangelize and may in fact (correctly or incorrectly) spread the message to the general public that FSD is useless/unfinished feature - leading to long term damage to the Tesla brand.
- modeless 4y ago
  > you are probably right in that it is pretty easy for Tesla to place all the blame on the driver of the Tesla Whoa now, I didn't say that at all! I'm just talking about FSD vs. Autopilot here. It's entirely possible that Autopilot is at fault! I am curious to see what the investigation will uncover. My point is simply that this situation has nothing to do with FSD. It could have happened four years ago as easily as yesterday, and anyone trying to tie this to recent developments in FSD is being misleading.
- rblatz 4y ago
  It’s too late, the Tesla fanboy subreddit has been on the FSD hate train for a while now. I’m shocked at how bad autopilot is on my Tesla, my wife’s 2018 Honda CR-V has better “autopilot” in the form of lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control, it can drive the car just like the tesla, but it’s less finicky and operates much closer to the way the writer describes a better level 2 system that monitors you instead of you monitoring it. The tesla demands you pay attention and drive but penalizes you by disengaging if you so much as try to take a slightly different line around a curve. Meanwhile the Honda just bides it’s time until you let go and seamlessly takes control keeping you in the middle of the lane.