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I really don't think NY Times is interested in describing this particular gathering in anything but an intentionally negative light, yet even with that presumed

I really don't think NY Times is interested in describing this particular gathering in anything but an intentionally negative light, yet even with that presumed bias I see only one statement there that seems even slightly offensive ("be a Christian") and it is presented in such a way that context not mentioned may or may not reduce the weirdness of it. Only somebody already dedicated to hatred of people espousing these beliefs would find those quoted bits to be "anti-democratic, totalitarian ideas". Take a step back, do some mad-libs and replace nouns with ones you'd prefer. It's a good exercise to see if maybe you're overreacting irrationally.

hgsgm 4y ago
How would you describe someone who wants to discard the Constitution deport 50million natural born citizens just for not believing in their god?
- jimmygrapes 4y ago
  I'm not a huge fan of arguing for or against the sort of straw man you've hypothesized here, but, if pressed, I'd describe that imaginary person (who I must stress is indeed a weak straw man indeed) as someone not fully familiar with any aspect of history or humanity beyond undying loyalty to their beliefs (which are also a cumulatively developed secondary straw man generated in this hypothetical scenario which is, to my knowledge, not held by any actual person regardless of the assumed intent you may impart), and who may or may not be persuaded to reconsider otherwise when faced with even the slightest bit of welcomed antagonism. That is to say, I don't know how to play in your fantasy world, since you have not developed it very well.
  - erulabs 4y ago
    Well said. "I don't know how to play in your fantasy world, since you have not developed it very well" is perfect, consider the saying stolen!
kthejoker2 4y ago
Thanks, not really looking for critical reading advice from someone who thinks those quotes are just standard political discourse.

hgsgm 4y ago

How would you describe someone who wants to discard the Constitution deport 50million natural born citizens just for not believing in their god?

jimmygrapes 4y ago
I'm not a huge fan of arguing for or against the sort of straw man you've hypothesized here, but, if pressed, I'd describe that imaginary person (who I must stress is indeed a weak straw man indeed) as someone not fully familiar with any aspect of history or humanity beyond undying loyalty to their beliefs (which are also a cumulatively developed secondary straw man generated in this hypothetical scenario which is, to my knowledge, not held by any actual person regardless of the assumed intent you may impart), and who may or may not be persuaded to reconsider otherwise when faced with even the slightest bit of welcomed antagonism. That is to say, I don't know how to play in your fantasy world, since you have not developed it very well.
- erulabs 4y ago
  Well said. "I don't know how to play in your fantasy world, since you have not developed it very well" is perfect, consider the saying stolen!

kthejoker2 4y ago

Thanks, not really looking for critical reading advice from someone who thinks those quotes are just standard political discourse.