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Why walk away from AMD for one design/manufacturering fault? It's easy to avoid, just buy a card that doesn't use the reference cooler.

dylan604 4y ago
While this may be the first for you, it may just be another example on a list over time. Apple walked away from Nvidia to solely use AMD after enough instances, but I was only personally affected by one model. It was apparently the one (2011 MBP) that broke the camel's back though, so there's that.
- tverbeure 4y ago
  The bump crack issue with MacBooks was in the open in 2008. Apple used AMD GPUs for the MacBook Pro 2011. 4 years after bump crack, they switched back to using Nvidia GPUs for the trusty old mid-2012 MacBook Pro that's still my daily driver, with excellent keyboard, and for the late-2013 MacBook Pro too. If there's anything that, I don't know what it is.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Are you telling me the laptop that I have isn't what it is? Really? That's what you want to do? It was repaired twice by Apple, but the third time it happened, they wanted me to pay for it which was going to be a good chunk of the cost of a new MBP.
    - tverbeure 4y ago
      Are you telling me that my 2012 MBP isn’t using an Nvidia GPU? As for the early-2011 17” MBP: it used AMD. https://support.apple.com/kb/sp621?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/sp621?locale=en_US So there’s that.
      - dylan604 4y ago
        I dont' know what you're trying to say, but I never said that the 2011 model that I had was the last version to ever have an Nvidia GPU or that AMD was never used before then. You're really trying to start something just because...what, you're bored? I specifically chose the Nvidia GPU over the AMD option because of wanting to use CUDA. Most of us are aware that Apple's hardware designs and manufacturing pipelines are planned so that if they decide something today, it won't become available to consumers for at least a year if not two. So I guess, I'm really asking WTF is the point of you arguing?
        tverbeure 4y ago
        You made a conjecture that Apple abandoned Nvidia GPUs after issues with their earlier GPUs. This is not a new argument. It’s been made by many people before. All of these people forget that Apple switched back for a while, long after those issues. I’m simply pointing that your conjecture is at least on shaky ground. You also claimed that the 2011 MBP broke the camel’s back. I point out that there was no 2011 MBP model with an Nvidia GPU, which angers you for some reason. I can only assume that you are confusing “2011 MBP model” with “2010 MBP model that I bought in 2011”, but who knows?
MikusR 4y ago
It's more about how AMD is responding to this. Deffects happen, but amd downplayed it by saying that the temperatures and throttling are normal, refuse to recall, still sell affected cards, close the support website just as the news start spreading, make customers jump from manufacturer to seller to amd to get replacement/refund. And they also don't have replacement cards in stock. All this while their marketing department spends time making fun of competition.
andrewstuart 4y ago
"Gaming rhymes with complaining" is what I say to my teenage son. Also "when you're gaming, you're complaining".
zamadatix 4y ago
I think you're misunderstanding the article. It's not that he wouldn't like a working AMD card it's that the cards are nearly impossible to find "since no comparable replacement cards can be had without paying scalpers on eBay". It takes a good bit of work to get a flagship GPU at MSRP right now. If you've managed to get one from AMD and one from Nvidia at the same time and one turns out to be defective + they won't offer a direct replacement, only refund, then you're unlikely to be interested in putting a bunch more time in trying to find a non-defective model in stock at MSRP. Particularly when the manufacturer is making 0 effort to make this easier for you.

dylan604 4y ago

While this may be the first for you, it may just be another example on a list over time. Apple walked away from Nvidia to solely use AMD after enough instances, but I was only personally affected by one model. It was apparently the one (2011 MBP) that broke the camel's back though, so there's that.

tverbeure 4y ago
The bump crack issue with MacBooks was in the open in 2008. Apple used AMD GPUs for the MacBook Pro 2011. 4 years after bump crack, they switched back to using Nvidia GPUs for the trusty old mid-2012 MacBook Pro that's still my daily driver, with excellent keyboard, and for the late-2013 MacBook Pro too. If there's anything that, I don't know what it is.
- dylan604 4y ago
  Are you telling me the laptop that I have isn't what it is? Really? That's what you want to do? It was repaired twice by Apple, but the third time it happened, they wanted me to pay for it which was going to be a good chunk of the cost of a new MBP.
  - tverbeure 4y ago
    Are you telling me that my 2012 MBP isn’t using an Nvidia GPU? As for the early-2011 17” MBP: it used AMD. https://support.apple.com/kb/sp621?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/sp621?locale=en_US So there’s that.
    - dylan604 4y ago
      I dont' know what you're trying to say, but I never said that the 2011 model that I had was the last version to ever have an Nvidia GPU or that AMD was never used before then. You're really trying to start something just because...what, you're bored? I specifically chose the Nvidia GPU over the AMD option because of wanting to use CUDA. Most of us are aware that Apple's hardware designs and manufacturing pipelines are planned so that if they decide something today, it won't become available to consumers for at least a year if not two. So I guess, I'm really asking WTF is the point of you arguing?
      - tverbeure 4y ago
        You made a conjecture that Apple abandoned Nvidia GPUs after issues with their earlier GPUs. This is not a new argument. It’s been made by many people before. All of these people forget that Apple switched back for a while, long after those issues. I’m simply pointing that your conjecture is at least on shaky ground. You also claimed that the 2011 MBP broke the camel’s back. I point out that there was no 2011 MBP model with an Nvidia GPU, which angers you for some reason. I can only assume that you are confusing “2011 MBP model” with “2010 MBP model that I bought in 2011”, but who knows?

MikusR 4y ago

It's more about how AMD is responding to this. Deffects happen, but amd downplayed it by saying that the temperatures and throttling are normal, refuse to recall, still sell affected cards, close the support website just as the news start spreading, make customers jump from manufacturer to seller to amd to get replacement/refund. And they also don't have replacement cards in stock. All this while their marketing department spends time making fun of competition.

andrewstuart 4y ago

"Gaming rhymes with complaining" is what I say to my teenage son. Also "when you're gaming, you're complaining".

zamadatix 4y ago

I think you're misunderstanding the article. It's not that he wouldn't like a working AMD card it's that the cards are nearly impossible to find "since no comparable replacement cards can be had without paying scalpers on eBay". It takes a good bit of work to get a flagship GPU at MSRP right now. If you've managed to get one from AMD and one from Nvidia at the same time and one turns out to be defective + they won't offer a direct replacement, only refund, then you're unlikely to be interested in putting a bunch more time in trying to find a non-defective model in stock at MSRP. Particularly when the manufacturer is making 0 effort to make this easier for you.