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> Hard to know the truth of the matter. He is accused of murder. Tortured. (The fact that I.R. of Iran routinely tortures political prisoners is beyond dispute

> Hard to know the truth of the matter. He is accused of murder. Tortured. (The fact that I.R. of Iran routinely tortures political prisoners is beyond dispute.) No legal representation. No due process. Closed court. What else do you need to know? > Anyways, as for freedom of women, what if it was all based on specious reasons? Inform yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34274917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34274917 She was not the first innocent to be cut down in the flower of her youth. Our dear Jian Mahsa Amini's death in custody of the criminal state is not why Iranian are resolved to dispatch the theocratic regime "to the pages of history". > I think people lose their sense and reason when it comes to such a vague concept like “freedom”? Freedom to what, from what, for what? Freedom from oppression. Freedom from violent men and women in thrall of their own misunderstanding and entirely impervious to reason, common sense, decency, who insist at the pain of torture and death that others submit to their ignorance. Sufficient and frankly a demanding reason to motivate any sensible human being. We Iranians have made a determination. The Islamic Republic must go. > The reality of things is always different than what people think in the US, this is what traveling has taught me. "Other"? Your travels have convinced you that there is no such thing as human being possessing of rights and deserving of respect divorced from local considerations. Hear then the words of a poet saint of these "others", these Iranians, whose heroic struggle you seek to diminish and discount: Human Beings are members of a whole In creation of one essence and soul If one member is inflected with pain Other members uneasy will remain If you have no sympathy for human pain You have no claim to the name Human Being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Adam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bani_Adam

erenyeager 4y ago
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throwaway0191 4y ago
Who made you the representative of all Iranians? You represent only yourself. As the previous author wrote, we know nothing about what really happened and the first victim in the information war between the West and Iran is the truth.
- eternalban 4y ago
  A much better question is who made Khamenei and I.R. “representative” of God and the Prophet and Ali and his sons. This has absolutely -nothing- to do with the “West”. Those tropes do not work anymore. No amount of whataboutism will whitewash the crimes of I.R. against Iran.
  - throwaway0191 4y ago
    What you just did is whataboutism. You claimed "Iranians want X". I asked you who made you a representative of Iranians. You - of course - failed to answer and come up with a BS reply.
em-bee 4y ago
i have sympathy for human pain. i have several friends who have family in iran who are being persecuted for their beliefs, stripped of their rights, have their businesses destroyed, are denied access to university and are imprisoned if they share their beliefs with others. yet, none of them would resort to violence or condone others violence in their name. they believe and pray for a peaceful and constructive resolution to this ongoing conflict.
- eternalban 4y ago
  As with you and your captive family in occupied Iran, I too abhor violence. The young man executed was accused of violence, and the "confession" obtained under torture. It is indeed the inherent "violent" nature of I.R. that is a blight on the Iranian nation. This nature was manifested, in words and deeds, from the very day that this minority assumed control over the destiny of Iran. As a member of Iranian diaspora, my deep conviction is that decisions regarding the removal of this national & spiritual abomination from Iran and its future political orientation are primarily in the hands of Iranians who have lived and continue to reside in occupied Iran. Per your stated personal family sketch, you should be well familiar with Bahareh Hedayati who addressed the issue of violence in context of revolution in her letter from Evin. She is not alone in declaring that there remains no possibility of reforming the abomination, and as you must know, she is merely one out of thousands of the best of Iranians who are now held, illegally, in dungeons of the occupying regime of the so-called Islamic Republic. If you wish to discuss the mechanics of revolution and what is or is not acceptable, it would be best to direct your thoughts to those quarters. As it is, your comment in HN casting shade using "violence" seems 'misplaced'.

erenyeager 4y ago

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throwaway0191 4y ago

Who made you the representative of all Iranians? You represent only yourself. As the previous author wrote, we know nothing about what really happened and the first victim in the information war between the West and Iran is the truth.

eternalban 4y ago
A much better question is who made Khamenei and I.R. “representative” of God and the Prophet and Ali and his sons. This has absolutely -nothing- to do with the “West”. Those tropes do not work anymore. No amount of whataboutism will whitewash the crimes of I.R. against Iran.
- throwaway0191 4y ago
  What you just did is whataboutism. You claimed "Iranians want X". I asked you who made you a representative of Iranians. You - of course - failed to answer and come up with a BS reply.

em-bee 4y ago

i have sympathy for human pain. i have several friends who have family in iran who are being persecuted for their beliefs, stripped of their rights, have their businesses destroyed, are denied access to university and are imprisoned if they share their beliefs with others. yet, none of them would resort to violence or condone others violence in their name. they believe and pray for a peaceful and constructive resolution to this ongoing conflict.

eternalban 4y ago
As with you and your captive family in occupied Iran, I too abhor violence. The young man executed was accused of violence, and the "confession" obtained under torture. It is indeed the inherent "violent" nature of I.R. that is a blight on the Iranian nation. This nature was manifested, in words and deeds, from the very day that this minority assumed control over the destiny of Iran. As a member of Iranian diaspora, my deep conviction is that decisions regarding the removal of this national & spiritual abomination from Iran and its future political orientation are primarily in the hands of Iranians who have lived and continue to reside in occupied Iran. Per your stated personal family sketch, you should be well familiar with Bahareh Hedayati who addressed the issue of violence in context of revolution in her letter from Evin. She is not alone in declaring that there remains no possibility of reforming the abomination, and as you must know, she is merely one out of thousands of the best of Iranians who are now held, illegally, in dungeons of the occupying regime of the so-called Islamic Republic. If you wish to discuss the mechanics of revolution and what is or is not acceptable, it would be best to direct your thoughts to those quarters. As it is, your comment in HN casting shade using "violence" seems 'misplaced'.