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> The default state is that there is land you can use to get your own food. You have to do a lot of work to extract food from the land, which is in the point.

> The default state is that there is land you can use to get your own food. You have to do a lot of work to extract food from the land, which is in the point. If there was no economy, just you and a fertile wilderness, you'd need to work your ass off to survive. But more likely you'd die from eating a poisonous berry, starve, contract a fatal illness, or get eaten by a predator.

anigbrowl 4y ago
But if you try to do this now, there is a pretty decent chance thAt you will wind up in legal trouble because there's no conception of a free wilderness in modern law.
- grumple 4y ago
  Let's not pretend that this is what UBI advocates want to do or could do. That's a disingenuous argument.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    I'm responding only to the content of your previous comment, not commenting on UBI advocacy in general (on which I do not have a strong opinion at present).
defrost 4y ago
Hi, I grew up in the Kimberley region of Western Australia alongside many people who still lived as traditional hunter gathers, in the 1980s I met and spoke with the Pintupi Nine (who had had no prior contact with "modern western culture") as I have some minor grasp of some western desert languages. Regarding: > If there was no economy, just you and a fertile wilderness, you'd need to work your ass off to survive. Normally, Aboriginal groups were easily able to find enough food for their entire clan in three or four hours of hunting and gathering each day. If you're in a fertile wilderness that you can read like a book and are familiar with then you need to go shopping for a few hours a day. I have no idea where you got your "work your arse off" notion from - can you cite a source? I'll concede that many people without a clue would spend a great deal of time thrashing about ineffectively wasting time and energy and then dying .. but we're talking about multi generational hunter gathers on the land they have occupied and shaped through land and plant management over 50+ thousand years.

anigbrowl 4y ago

But if you try to do this now, there is a pretty decent chance thAt you will wind up in legal trouble because there's no conception of a free wilderness in modern law.

grumple 4y ago
Let's not pretend that this is what UBI advocates want to do or could do. That's a disingenuous argument.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  I'm responding only to the content of your previous comment, not commenting on UBI advocacy in general (on which I do not have a strong opinion at present).

defrost 4y ago

Hi, I grew up in the Kimberley region of Western Australia alongside many people who still lived as traditional hunter gathers, in the 1980s I met and spoke with the Pintupi Nine (who had had no prior contact with "modern western culture") as I have some minor grasp of some western desert languages. Regarding: > If there was no economy, just you and a fertile wilderness, you'd need to work your ass off to survive. Normally, Aboriginal groups were easily able to find enough food for their entire clan in three or four hours of hunting and gathering each day. If you're in a fertile wilderness that you can read like a book and are familiar with then you need to go shopping for a few hours a day. I have no idea where you got your "work your arse off" notion from - can you cite a source? I'll concede that many people without a clue would spend a great deal of time thrashing about ineffectively wasting time and energy and then dying .. but we're talking about multi generational hunter gathers on the land they have occupied and shaped through land and plant management over 50+ thousand years.