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Great citation but it really can support the point either way. Something known for decades is now getting new attention, scrutiny and oversight. What changed?

Great citation but it really can support the point either way. Something known for decades is now getting new attention, scrutiny and oversight. What changed? Is it just a coincidence it’s become a target for the climate industry at the same time?

ceejayoz 4y ago
What changed? "Climate change isn't happening" ceased to be a sustainable political position in most of the world; even in the US it's moved from "climate change isn't a thing" to "humans can't cause climate change" to "it's real but we can't stop it". Same thing that happened to tobacco in the 1990s; the fossil fuel industry stopped being able to bullshit their way out of admitting the problem's existence.
- encoderer 4y ago
  Yes it’s a problem, but induction cooktops are true feats of engineering. Have they tried just mandating these companies make a gas stove that doesn’t poison the users? Whatever that means.. better fans, tighter tolerances, it doesn’t sound intractable. Ultimately, I think it’s a hard sell that we as a race should no longer cook over an open flame. But of course, the other target from the climate industry is meat itself so I guess the idea is that when it’s all plant paste who cares how it gets cooked?
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > Have they tried just mandating these companies make a gas stove that doesn’t poison the users? They might do exactly that. The exact quote from the interview (https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-01-09/us-safety-agency-considers-gas-stove-ban https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-01-09/us-safety-...): "'This is a hidden hazard,' Richard Trumka Jr., an agency commissioner, said in an interview. 'Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.'" The mitigations you propose would seem to fall within the "made safe" category. Also in the LA Times piece, emphasis mine: "The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has a staff of roughly 500, plans to open public comment on hazards posed by gas stoves later this winter. Besides barring the manufacture or import of gas stoves, options include setting standards on emissions from the appliances, Trumka said."

ceejayoz 4y ago

What changed? "Climate change isn't happening" ceased to be a sustainable political position in most of the world; even in the US it's moved from "climate change isn't a thing" to "humans can't cause climate change" to "it's real but we can't stop it". Same thing that happened to tobacco in the 1990s; the fossil fuel industry stopped being able to bullshit their way out of admitting the problem's existence.

encoderer 4y ago
Yes it’s a problem, but induction cooktops are true feats of engineering. Have they tried just mandating these companies make a gas stove that doesn’t poison the users? Whatever that means.. better fans, tighter tolerances, it doesn’t sound intractable. Ultimately, I think it’s a hard sell that we as a race should no longer cook over an open flame. But of course, the other target from the climate industry is meat itself so I guess the idea is that when it’s all plant paste who cares how it gets cooked?
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > Have they tried just mandating these companies make a gas stove that doesn’t poison the users? They might do exactly that. The exact quote from the interview (https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-01-09/us-safety-agency-considers-gas-stove-ban https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-01-09/us-safety-...): "'This is a hidden hazard,' Richard Trumka Jr., an agency commissioner, said in an interview. 'Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.'" The mitigations you propose would seem to fall within the "made safe" category. Also in the LA Times piece, emphasis mine: "The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has a staff of roughly 500, plans to open public comment on hazards posed by gas stoves later this winter. Besides barring the manufacture or import of gas stoves, options include setting standards on emissions from the appliances, Trumka said."