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Your theory is that, for example, turning people into property based on race was not racist? If so, I don't think there's much point in a discussion here. For
by wpietri 4y ago
Your theory is that, for example, turning people into property based on race was not racist? If so, I don't think there's much point in a discussion here.
For those more reasonable who want to know about what anti-racism is opposed to, I'd suggest reading Loewen's Sundown Towns, Kendi's Stamped from the Beginning, and Mills's The Racial Contract as beginner-friendly looks at the system of racism, its historical and intellectual roots, and how it all played out historically.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoDid I say that? Reply to what I say, not words you create. The system was created long before the US. Many people were involved in this system, from the warring tribes in Africa selling prisoners, to countries like the UK setting up colonies with slaves for cotton, tobacco, etc. We were the colony that finally stopped the system. It took a long time and a lot of blood because it was the system, but it was ended.
- wpietri 4y agoIf your point is that the US didn't invent racism, I agree. Again, read Kendi, who traces its roots back pretty well. But that doesn't mean the US wasn't hugely racist both during its colonial period and long after. And again, if that's something that you can't see, I'm not sure what the point of further discussion is.
- annyeonghada 4y ago>Kendi Maybe try suggesting some serious historical scholarship instead of ideologues.
- MockObject 4y ago> Your theory is that, for example, turning people into property based on race was not racist? If so, I don't think there's much point in a discussion here. Given that the enslaved had been so subjugated by others of the very same race, how could the institution itself possibly be called essentially racist?
- wpietri 4y agoI can only hope you're trolling here. But on the off chance that is a sincere question, maybe read the books I recommended. Or if you'd like a quick answer from the Confederacy's Vice President, you might read the Cornerstone Speech, which includes these words: "Our new government['s]...foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." If you're having trouble seeing the racism there, I'm not sure how else I could help.
- MockObject 4y agoYou quote the Cornerstone Speech correctly, which was a post-hoc rationalization, a propaganda effort to encourage millions of fighting age men to lay down their lives for an economic system that was based on slavery which, I've already proven, was not an essentially racist institution.
- wpietri 4y agoYou have proven no such thing, unless you're using some sort of definition of racism so outside the norm that either way it looks like a poor use of my time to try to explain your mistake to you.
- MockObject 4y agoNow this is the second time you're ignoring the context of the supply of the very slaves being discussed, so I determine that you are not discussing honestly.