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This user disagrees fwiw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34341269 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34341269

kgwxd 4y ago
If no one was asking in the first place, no one would be left out. There are obviously places where it's relevant to ask, in which case, an open text field with no list of "normal" options should be sufficient.
luckylion 4y ago
The answer is obvious. First: ask the user for their opinion about asking users about their gender, then ask or don't ask.
aidenn0 4y ago
I think "asking for pronouns" as that user mentions seems like a reasonable place to land. It has a clear potential use, and isn't confusing about what it is asking.
deelowe 4y ago
What should the option be when I'm searching for clothes and I want to filter out dresses and blouses?
- counttheforks 4y ago
  Masculine, Feminine, Male cut, Female cut, etc. Notably you'd ask this when the user is searching for a specific product, not during signup.
  - Semiapies 4y ago
    Just so. Your gender might not match the cut you need, and even if it does, you might be shopping for a gift.
  - deelowe 4y ago
    This would be reasonable. Less reasonable to me is suggesting terms like masculine or feminine shouldn't be used as filter options.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  A filter list by garment type that lets you filter out dresses and blouses?
  - gardenhedge 4y ago
    So then you get trousers. One made for a male body and one for a female body...
    - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
      Let me filter by style, waist, hip and in-seam. Frankly, that'd be a hell of a lot more useful. Maybe I'd actually be able to buy something that fits...
      - chucksta 4y ago
        Vanity sizing would still mess with your dream, which is the real issue with finding the right size.
        BaseballPhysics 4y ago
        That's why I mentioned measurements not vanity sizes. Give me waist, hip, and in-seam in centimeters or inches and let me filter by picking ranges. That's infinitely more useful than gendered S/M/L "sizes".
        gardenhedge 4y ago
        No it is not. You would end up getting styles aimed at the wrong gender..
        chucksta 4y ago
        Vanity sizing means the items is listed as a smaller size than it truly is, changing the units doesn't change anything. They can still say its 28" when its really 30".
  - 4y ago
- johnsonap 4y ago
  What category of clothing it is? dresses and blouses don't need to be gendered just as much as a t-shirt doesn't need to be gendered
  - maxwell 4y ago
    You're not aware of the differences between men's and women's T-shirts?
    - johnsonap 4y ago
      Oh I’m aware, they just don’t need to exist. I wear both men’s and women’s shirts, and dresses and pants and skirts and whatever I want and they all fit me just fine. That’s the point I’m trying to make, it’s a false binary

If no one was asking in the first place, no one would be left out. There are obviously places where it's relevant to ask, in which case, an open text field with no list of "normal" options should be sufficient.

luckylion 4y ago

The answer is obvious. First: ask the user for their opinion about asking users about their gender, then ask or don't ask.

aidenn0 4y ago

I think "asking for pronouns" as that user mentions seems like a reasonable place to land. It has a clear potential use, and isn't confusing about what it is asking.

deelowe 4y ago

What should the option be when I'm searching for clothes and I want to filter out dresses and blouses?

counttheforks 4y ago
Masculine, Feminine, Male cut, Female cut, etc. Notably you'd ask this when the user is searching for a specific product, not during signup.
- Semiapies 4y ago
  Just so. Your gender might not match the cut you need, and even if it does, you might be shopping for a gift.
- deelowe 4y ago
  This would be reasonable. Less reasonable to me is suggesting terms like masculine or feminine shouldn't be used as filter options.
BaseballPhysics 4y ago
A filter list by garment type that lets you filter out dresses and blouses?
- gardenhedge 4y ago
  So then you get trousers. One made for a male body and one for a female body...
  - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
    Let me filter by style, waist, hip and in-seam. Frankly, that'd be a hell of a lot more useful. Maybe I'd actually be able to buy something that fits...
    - chucksta 4y ago
      Vanity sizing would still mess with your dream, which is the real issue with finding the right size.
      - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
        That's why I mentioned measurements not vanity sizes. Give me waist, hip, and in-seam in centimeters or inches and let me filter by picking ranges. That's infinitely more useful than gendered S/M/L "sizes".
        gardenhedge 4y ago
        No it is not. You would end up getting styles aimed at the wrong gender..
        chucksta 4y ago
        Vanity sizing means the items is listed as a smaller size than it truly is, changing the units doesn't change anything. They can still say its 28" when its really 30".
- 4y ago
johnsonap 4y ago
What category of clothing it is? dresses and blouses don't need to be gendered just as much as a t-shirt doesn't need to be gendered
- maxwell 4y ago
  You're not aware of the differences between men's and women's T-shirts?
  - johnsonap 4y ago
    Oh I’m aware, they just don’t need to exist. I wear both men’s and women’s shirts, and dresses and pants and skirts and whatever I want and they all fit me just fine. That’s the point I’m trying to make, it’s a false binary