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Hey, why does it matter if it's made in 'common lisp' ?

by keldami 4y ago

Shinmera 4y ago
Common Lisp is pretty cool, and to my knowledge this is the first major game title using it that is actually released.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  Maybe not common lisp, but look up crash bandicoot by naughty dog software for the playstation. That was an exclusive playstation title, probably the third biggest title in terms of sales on the playstation, and it was written in Lisp.
  - bmitc 4y ago
    To my knowledge, Naughty Dog have never fully implemented a game in a Lisp. They used it and custom languages written in Racket as scripting and automation tools. The game posted here appears to be written in Common Lisp from the engine up.
    - bitwize 4y ago
      The first few Jak & Daxter games were written from the ground up in GOAL.
    - lispm 4y ago
      Though all their games written in GOOL or GOAL had their development environments implemented in Common Lisp.
  - Shinmera 4y ago
    Yeah I know about GOAL and OpenGOAL and all that.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    I have a private conspiracy theory that one of the reasons for the recent remaster of The Last of Us is to move all of Naughty Dog's go-forward IP off a Lisp-based workflow. Through at least The Last of Us (2013), ND had been still sneaking in Lisp through the back door: while the engine was in C++, a toolchain in Racket would generate all the entity component types as well as data for various animations, etc. I think there's been a shift in developer talent at ND in the past few years, and Druckmann wants to get rid of all the Racket stuff (because it's hard to find maintainers for it) and stick with a standard C++ workflow. All of which makes Kandria even more refreshingly welcome.
kemayo 4y ago
I'd say that to the end-user it doesn't matter (which is why it's not mentioned on the linked store page), but to the HN crowd it's interesting because lisp is a nifty hacker topic and seeing someone manage to write a game in it is pretty cool. (It's probably more interesting than all the "X, a clone of Y but in Rust" posts, at least.)
sigstoat 4y ago
if i've learned anything from HN, it is that the language you write something in is the most important thing you can say about it.
- 59nadir 4y ago
  This is an unnecessarily cynical comment, IMO. The title already establishes the value prop of the project as a "Show" entry; it's an action RPG, i.e. game. It's not "I made a clone of a C tool but in Rust" where there is no actual value prop. It's a bonus that it's written in something a bit more interesting than your average game.

Hey, why does it matter if it's made in 'common lisp' ?

Shinmera 4y ago

Common Lisp is pretty cool, and to my knowledge this is the first major game title using it that is actually released.

lelanthran 4y ago
Maybe not common lisp, but look up crash bandicoot by naughty dog software for the playstation. That was an exclusive playstation title, probably the third biggest title in terms of sales on the playstation, and it was written in Lisp.
- bmitc 4y ago
  To my knowledge, Naughty Dog have never fully implemented a game in a Lisp. They used it and custom languages written in Racket as scripting and automation tools. The game posted here appears to be written in Common Lisp from the engine up.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    The first few Jak & Daxter games were written from the ground up in GOAL.
  - lispm 4y ago
    Though all their games written in GOOL or GOAL had their development environments implemented in Common Lisp.
- Shinmera 4y ago
  Yeah I know about GOAL and OpenGOAL and all that.
- bitwize 4y ago
  I have a private conspiracy theory that one of the reasons for the recent remaster of The Last of Us is to move all of Naughty Dog's go-forward IP off a Lisp-based workflow. Through at least The Last of Us (2013), ND had been still sneaking in Lisp through the back door: while the engine was in C++, a toolchain in Racket would generate all the entity component types as well as data for various animations, etc. I think there's been a shift in developer talent at ND in the past few years, and Druckmann wants to get rid of all the Racket stuff (because it's hard to find maintainers for it) and stick with a standard C++ workflow. All of which makes Kandria even more refreshingly welcome.

kemayo 4y ago

I'd say that to the end-user it doesn't matter (which is why it's not mentioned on the linked store page), but to the HN crowd it's interesting because lisp is a nifty hacker topic and seeing someone manage to write a game in it is pretty cool. (It's probably more interesting than all the "X, a clone of Y but in Rust" posts, at least.)

sigstoat 4y ago

if i've learned anything from HN, it is that the language you write something in is the most important thing you can say about it.

59nadir 4y ago
This is an unnecessarily cynical comment, IMO. The title already establishes the value prop of the project as a "Show" entry; it's an action RPG, i.e. game. It's not "I made a clone of a C tool but in Rust" where there is no actual value prop. It's a bonus that it's written in something a bit more interesting than your average game.