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is anybody talking about banning gas stoves for existing homes? You mentioned "crappy queens apartment", but I didn't think that would require any change at all

is anybody talking about banning gas stoves for existing homes? You mentioned "crappy queens apartment", but I didn't think that would require any change at all.

chomp 4y ago
Nobody is talking about banning gas stoves for existing homes. There's lobbyists on both sides of this, and the oil industry is more powerful than the appliance industry. The quote from the CPSC commisioner was "Products that can’t be made safe can be banned." which is making people go haywire. Natural gas stoves can be made safe, and that is by mandating ventilation (possibly automatic ventilation on ignition), and emissions standards.
- crackercrews 4y ago
  > There's lobbyists on both sides of this, and the oil industry is more powerful than the appliance industry. You forgot the green energy lobby.
rayiner 4y ago
Yes: > The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has a staff of roughly 500, plans to open public comment on hazards posed by gas stoves later this winter. Besides barring the manufacture or import of gas stoves, options include setting standards on emissions from the appliances, Trumka said
- johnny22 4y ago
  ah. so it would be forcing a change when things break. It would likely be that existing devices would be uhmm "grandfathered" in though right? That's usually the case when it comes to these things.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    The ban may grandfather existing devices, but if it prohibits "manufacture" and "import" you're not going to be able to get replacements. It's like lightbulbs--you don't have to turn in your incandescent bulbs, but you can't get new ones.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Sure you can. Plenty for sale at Home Depot: https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Light-Bulbs-Incandescent-Light-Bulbs/N-5yc1vZbmgl https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Light-Bulbs-Incandescen... After August 1, you'll only be able to get ones that meet an efficiency standard, with a variety of exceptions as well.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      The ban won't do anything, because it doesn't exist. It's not being proposed. It's not a thing.
- tptacek 4y ago
  No, they don't.

is anybody talking about banning gas stoves for existing homes? You mentioned "crappy queens apartment", but I didn't think that would require any change at all.

chomp 4y ago

Nobody is talking about banning gas stoves for existing homes. There's lobbyists on both sides of this, and the oil industry is more powerful than the appliance industry. The quote from the CPSC commisioner was "Products that can’t be made safe can be banned." which is making people go haywire. Natural gas stoves can be made safe, and that is by mandating ventilation (possibly automatic ventilation on ignition), and emissions standards.

crackercrews 4y ago
> There's lobbyists on both sides of this, and the oil industry is more powerful than the appliance industry. You forgot the green energy lobby.

rayiner 4y ago

Yes: > The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which has a staff of roughly 500, plans to open public comment on hazards posed by gas stoves later this winter. Besides barring the manufacture or import of gas stoves, options include setting standards on emissions from the appliances, Trumka said

johnny22 4y ago
ah. so it would be forcing a change when things break. It would likely be that existing devices would be uhmm "grandfathered" in though right? That's usually the case when it comes to these things.
- rayiner 4y ago
  The ban may grandfather existing devices, but if it prohibits "manufacture" and "import" you're not going to be able to get replacements. It's like lightbulbs--you don't have to turn in your incandescent bulbs, but you can't get new ones.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Sure you can. Plenty for sale at Home Depot: https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Light-Bulbs-Incandescent-Light-Bulbs/N-5yc1vZbmgl https://www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Light-Bulbs-Incandescen... After August 1, you'll only be able to get ones that meet an efficiency standard, with a variety of exceptions as well.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    The ban won't do anything, because it doesn't exist. It's not being proposed. It's not a thing.
tptacek 4y ago
No, they don't.