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The Style Guide for America’s Highways
- jonathanmkeegan 4y agoDriving across America, you will encounter a wide variety of cultures, landscapes, people and animals. But the one consistent thing that will stay the same from Maine to California are the signs you pass on the highway. That is because America’s roads and highways have a big, fat style guide.
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- mjmsmith 4y agoIt's a good post, and this kind of site is why I'm glad RSS still exists. Look forward to seeing more in my feed reader.
- dv_dt 4y agoIndividual states also have guidelines too (probably mostly aligned w/ the federal). It reminds me of the artist who wanted to correct a misleading fwy sign, pulled the style guide, made the sign and put it up. https://thelandmag.com/richard-ankrom-guerrilla-public-service-los-angeles-free/ https://thelandmag.com/richard-ankrom-guerrilla-public-servi...
- johnohara 4y agoThe Artist: Richard Ankrom https://ankrom.org/ https://ankrom.org/ The Public Service: Guerrilla Public Service 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clgl63CWOkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clgl63CWOkM
- spetryk 4y agoFrom a quick search, there are now sites like [0] where you can seemingly buy road signs which adhere to MUTCD (I can only imagine it was much more difficult for Ankrom in 2001). From the customer reviews, it sounds like many are placed within personal property, such as indoor decorations or arrows directing delivery drivers. However, I wonder how much trouble people get in practice for putting up signs on less-trafficked public roads (e.g., signs like "Slow, children at play" or pedestrian crossings). I'd like to think that a well-intentioned sign on, say, a quiet suburban street would be allowed to exist. [0] https://www.roadtrafficsigns.com/ https://www.roadtrafficsigns.com/
- brewdad 4y agoGiven that cities have removed guerrilla crosswalks painted by locals where crosswalks already legally existed, I would guess the sign would be short-lived once the right department found out about it.
- alar44 4y agoI worked as a project manager for a telco construction company years ago and learning how to set up road constructions signs and warnings and whatnot was almost like learning a programming language. There are so many rules dictating how and where to put signs depending on speed limit, number of lanes, intersection type, etc etc. Then you'd send your plans to the DoT and they'd either approve or reject it with very little information on what you did wrong. It really was the most difficult part of the job.
- SoftTalker 4y agoI think many US highway signs are too wordy. Seems that European signs are more iconic. They are faster to recognize and more pleasant to look at but maybe take a bit more education to understand. US driver education is woeful by most other first-world standards, so maybe that's part of why we seem to need so many signs that explain things in words.
- cameldrv 4y agoIt's probably more that the U.S. is mostly monolingual, but in Europe you can drive a few hours and the main language can change multiple times.
- bombcar 4y agoThis is entirely it - and the reason that EU stop signs say STOP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign#Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign#Europe
- inciampati 4y agoIt's also dramatically more efficient and safe to have a quickly readable visual symbol. Maybe that's just my opinion but it seems reasonable to assume it factored into the design.
- vladvasiliu 4y agoThere's also the fact that it's understandable when you're looking at it the wrong way. It's useful to gauge who should stop and who has right of way. For example, in France (and most of Europe, I think), the default is for traffic coming from the right to have right of way. So if you're coming from the left and see the back of the sign, you know you don't have to yield.
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- bombcar 4y agoDirect link to the MUTCD: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/index.htm https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/index.htm https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2r3/pdf_index.htm https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2r3/pdf_index.htm https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2r3/mutcd2009r1r2r3edition.pdf https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009r1r2r3/mutcd2009r1r2r3ed...
- lang_agnostic 4y agoI'm quite surprised but how large and extensive this guide is. As someone who learned to drive in Europe I've always been extremely confused by the signage and road layout of American roads. There is a pretty big difference in quality between state roads and federal roads. The former seem to have no coherent style, layout or identity while the latter seem pretty consistent. Given the above documents I can see there is a consistent style but the style does not seem to translate to a consistent user experience. The three things that stand out to me are the amount of text on each sign, the lack of standardized rule about entries and exists, and the lack of road markings, specially at intersections. The first one isn't necessarily a big problem but it's very weird to have all this text when you could have instead a very recognizable sign that you can understand from afar (the one way sign is a great example), instead of a white sign with black text that you can only read once you're close to it and only understand if you know English. The second one makes highway layout extremely confusing and, at least for me, feel dangerous and stressful. Some Signs can tell you to take an exit with make 20m of notice and it's a 90° right turn and you also need to go from 120 kmph to 30 in that span. The reduced speed sign is only visible after you've turned so if you dont know the area you're almost always going too fast. Because it's a 90° turn with trees in the sides you can't anticipate what the traffic is like after the turn. If you know the area you probably have no problem handling this situation, but driving there for the first time feels like driving through a minefield. There are other instances of this with left exits, overtaking from both sides, turn right on red, stop sights everywhere, no priority system, and more. The last one is incredibly frustrating when you come from Europe because over there, most intersections have redundant signage and markings. Intersections have street lights that tell you where to go, the road layout is advertised on a sign well in advance, and the paint on the road tells you how to turn and where to stop and even indicates speed limits or directions. Intersections in americas provide no such affordances. Intersections are basically a free for all between the incoming trafic, the people turning right on red and the pedestrians. I was expecting a lot more from a country which is built for cars. It feels like roads are built for cars but not for drivers.
- xxpor 4y ago>Some Signs can tell you to take an exit with make 20m of notice and it's a 90° right turn and you also need to go from 120 kmph to 30 in that span. There should be a sign for this situation, for example: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6277564,-122.3289325,3a,73.1y,182.38h,84.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBpgL7_ZI7nOg1q7O1m5KOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6277564,-122.3289325,3a,73.1... Also FWIW: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2c.htm#table2C04 https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2c.htm#table2C... Europe does tend to have better signage in intersections. But the concept of a national speed limit and then not marking the speed limit when it's in effect seems brain dead. How are you supposed to know what it is if say you just rented a car from the airport? The other thing that kills me is not using a different color for separating lanes that run in the same direction vs different directions (white vs yellow in the US) How do you know at a glance if a road is one way?
- unethical_ban 4y agoBeing in Texas and of a certain age, I really only recognize Clearview. When I went to CA and PA, I saw the standard font and thought it looked archaic in a cool, retro way, especially the "g". I wonder if there is a concise summary of differences between the federal and various state guides.
- hardcopy 4y agoMUTCD is great if you're in a car on a grade separated highway. But it's staggeringly awful for when you're outside of a car. It could even be argued that the MUTCD is awful for driving in an urban area. MUTCD designs streets similarly to rural highways, and this can create conditions where people speed when they need to be driving slowly, because the design of the street doesn't reflect the speed the sign says you need to be driving. The MUTCD needs a different approach to urban streets. One that creates an environment where making a mistake doesn't lead to death. One where the design of the street reflects the posted speed limit. It will make the experience better for everyone. https://americawalks.org/how-the-mutcd-creates-unsafe-conditions-for-people-trying-to-access-food/ https://americawalks.org/how-the-mutcd-creates-unsafe-condit... https://nacto.org/program/modernizing-federal-standards/ https://nacto.org/program/modernizing-federal-standards/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/it-s-time-to-rewrite-the-road-builders-rule-book https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-05/it-s-time...
- clairity 4y agomy dream: urban roads (and parking) underground and multimodal streets above-ground severely road-dieted, with ample trees and micromobility lanes along them all. trees provide shade, reduces the heat island effect, reduces noise pollution (a bit), reduces air pollution (a bit), preserves soil and helps it hold more water, and overall reduces stress for pedestrians. adding mixed-use everywhere, with smaller pedestrian/micromobility alleys for accessibility, means people have somewhere to walk to rather than hopping into their cars for everything. then you don't need to rely so much on speed limits, signs, and signals, because you've segregated (most of) the cars from people.
- idiotsecant 4y agoIt's a beautiful dream but we can barely manage upkeep in our existing road network, which is mostly just layers of dirt and asphalt. If we need to maintain tunnel systems I imagine the maintenance goes up by at least an order of magnitude.
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- shagie 4y agoA pair of old HN articles on Clearview (the font): The feds are killing off Clearview, the new highway sign font - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11039770 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11039770 (29 comments) -- https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/4/10919686/clearview-highway-font-fhwa-highway-gothic https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/4/10919686/clearview-highway... America's Sudden U-Turn on Highway Fonts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10985709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10985709 (17 comments) -- http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/01/official-united-states-highway-sign-font-clearview/427068/ http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/01/official-united-state...
- tomcam 4y agoFascinating. To my eye Clearview was, ah, clearly better. But I love the fact that they seem to have tested it. My typographic opinion literally means nothing if Clearview was not helping people drive more safely.
- shagie 4y agoDigging some and I found Typeface and Font Politics on America’s Roads - https://www.lacar.com/reports/typeface-and-font-politics-on-americas-roads https://www.lacar.com/reports/typeface-and-font-politics-on-... which also gets into the "which is better" > Highway Gothic’s problems rested in the interstices (spaces) of its “a”, “e” and “u”, and when reading them at higher speed, these vowels would present more like an “o”. In addition, lower case letters like “i” and “l” were indistinguishable, with halation further heightened by the glare of headlights at night. > ... > But herein lies a mystery. In its Federal Register notice, the FHWA concluded that although Clearview worked well for white lettering on a dark background, it was ineffective on dark lettering on white background. Moreover, it determined that the “retroreflective” material used on freeway signs created more of a problem than did the font of choice when it came to nighttime readability. Finding no benefit that could be remedied by simply replacing older Highway Gothic font signage, the FHWA reversed course. and some more digging finds that research / testing: Penn State History Lesson: The Drama Behind The ‘New’ Highway Sign Font - https://onwardstate.com/2021/08/26/penn-state-history-lesson-the-drama-behind-the-new-highway-sign-font/ https://onwardstate.com/2021/08/26/penn-state-history-lesson...
- spiralx 4y agoSmaller than the 1,509 pages in total for the UK's traffic signs manual: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-manual https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-man... That's without various design specs, such as for the Transport font used on signs: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-working-drawings-tsrgd-2016-schedule-17 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-wor...
- bearmode 4y agoThe UK really is the gold standard for traffic signs, road markings, road layouts - I just wish they'd implement truly segregated cycle lanes everywhere. We need a massive initiative now.
- sofixa 4y agoRelevant video on why American road signs are so different than basically the rest of the world: https://youtu.be/Wzr0GYfRsKI https://youtu.be/Wzr0GYfRsKI
- CHB0403085482 4y agoSee you in /transport/ https://www.youtube.com/notjustbikes https://www.youtube.com/notjustbikes
- JCM9 4y agoEach state modifies this slightly but not much. Note too that the MUTCD can be your friend if you get a questionable traffic ticket. If the relevant signs don’t follow the standards that’s often grounds for dismissing the ticket. Non-standard signage can be quite common in some jurisdictions, although typically off the Interstates which are more tightly regulated.
- tomcam 4y agoThe intro so nice they had to show it twice
- s-xyz 4y agoI love the style, from the diversity of (car) plates to the individual signs. The cartoonish style really works, makes it look like a scene from a movie.
- bearmode 4y agoTo be honest, I really hate the US highway styleguide. The signage, road lettering etc they have in the UK and some of Europe is infinitely better & more clear. As well as general road layout and design. It probably goes a long way to explaining why US roads are so unbelievably dangerous.