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How big is the climate impact of gas stoves, anyway? Subjectively it seems like excess emissions from a stove would be a rounding error compared to things like
by jnovek 4y ago
How big is the climate impact of gas stoves, anyway? Subjectively it seems like excess emissions from a stove would be a rounding error compared to things like automobiles and manufacturing.
- agentultra 4y agoI don't know of anyone measuring it but the service lines and infrastructure providing gas leak GHG's in the process all over the place. The stoves themselves leak a little. Modern induction stoves are far superior anyway you would be doing yourself a favour upgrading. That gas is somehow "qualitatively better," is propaganda from the gas companies to keep people choosing gas. "Now you're cooking with gas," is from a gas propaganda short aired decades ago... to keep people choosing gas when people were starting to convert to electric. There's no good reason I can think of to keep using gas stoves.
- csours 4y ago> There's no good reason I can think of to keep using gas stoves. Tortillas and marshmallows. Not enough of a reason to keep a gas stove really, but it's traditional to some people.
- ask_b123 4y agoI eat tortillas daily, and use a gas stove, but why couldn't I use an electric stove?
- csours 4y agoYou can! I just happen to love the taste of slightly flame charred tortillas.
- ask_b123 4y agoHaha I see. I normally prefer non-charred tortillas because whenever they are charred it is because I forgot them in the stove so they get _very_ charred. Though I do like restaurant provided charred flour tortillas
- dragonwriter 4y agoYou can't use a clay comal for fresh or the direct-burner method for premade, tortillas with induction (you can use a cast-iron comal or griddle with induction for either.)
- ask_b123 4y agoOh that makes sense. I use an iron comal so didn't think about clay ones (nor the direct-burner method since I only do that when I am too lazy to wait for the comal (which I usually call plancha) to heat up).
- DoneWithAllThat 4y agoThe best reason I can think of is that they’re better in almost every way and your comment is mostly falsehoods, intentionally or not.
- NotYourLawyer 4y agoYou think the gas companies are the propagandists here?
- ceejayoz 4y agoIt'd be fairly insane to claim otherwise. There may be propaganda on both sides, but fossil fuel companies have a long history of involvement in the debate. For example: https://grist.org/culture/how-natural-gas-propaganda-made-it-into-elementary-classrooms-in-deep-blue-america/ https://grist.org/culture/how-natural-gas-propaganda-made-it... > The afternoon started off like most, with the 41-year-old software engineer picking his son up from John M. Tobin Montessori School in Cambridge, Massachusetts. But when his son opened his backpack, Bahmutov caught a glimpse of two children’s activity books emblazoned with the logo of Eversource, an energy utility that serves more than 4.3 million customers across New England. The booklets, one of which was titled “Natural Gas: Your Invisible Friend,” include natural gas safety tips and portray the fuel as an ideal, clean way to cook food, power vehicles, and heat and cool buildings. Bhamutov immediately noticed one gaping hole in the information provided in the booklets: They didn’t once mention that burning natural gas emits greenhouse gases and contributes to climate change. https://theintercept.com/2019/04/03/branded-content-fossil-fuel-companies/ https://theintercept.com/2019/04/03/branded-content-fossil-f... > Or was it? On closer inspection, the report wasn’t coming from the D.C. paper’s newsroom. Though the link takes you to a page published by WashingtonPost.com, the story is actually a publication of WP BrandStudio, the paper’s branded content platform. In other words, the article is really an advertisement, and the copy was paid for by the American Petroleum Institute. The tagline — “Content from American Petroleum Institute” — is plain to see if you’re looking for it, though easy to miss if you’re not.
- agentultra 4y agoYes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJRQo5aawho https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJRQo5aawho Literally paid for by the gas industry to keep people choosing gas.
- ceejayoz 4y agoMy main issue with electric (which I have) and induction ranges is a warped pan becomes an issue immediately; it'll wobble and not make proper contact with the surface. Gas is a lot more forgiving in this regard.
- infecto 4y agoI believe new construction should not utilize natural gas at all. Your argument is a bit disengenious though. The slogan came about in the 30s-40s and yes it was with competition of electric stoves but traditional electric stoves suck. Induction only became reliable in the past few years, before that the components were not as reliable, we had many issues with component failure in our kitchen across various brands. I can think of a handful of reasons to use a NG/LP burner over induction, mostly around heavy searing and stir frying but certainly new residential builds should not include them, easier to have separate LP hob setup.
- agentultra 4y agoIt’s been around for a lot longer and is continually paid for by the gas industry when people tried to earnestly convert away from gas: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJRQo5aawho https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJRQo5aawho Modern magnetic induction is better. For me it has killed off anything about gas stoves that made them unique. Induction stoves heat fast, as hot as you need, even surface; wok, Dutch pot, whatever; I take it over gas stoves. Side hob for a round bottom wok is a great idea.
- philwelch 4y agoI recently switched from electric to gas when I moved. Gas stoves are qualitatively better and it’s not even close.
- csours 4y agoNatural gas leaks are responsible for way more greenhouse gas effects than stove CO2. That is, it's not the stoves, it's the transmission infrastructure.
- crackercrews 4y agoCorrect. But getting rid of gas stoves doesn't change that unless you also ban gas furnaces, water heaters, and clothes dryers.
- csours 4y agoGas clothes dryers are probably the only other one that people have a strong preference for. And yes, I think that is the intention.
- crackercrews 4y agoI've heard gas furnaces are more efficient from a cost perspective. People definitely don't want to be forced to replace an appliance with one that will cost more to operate.
- pmyteh 4y agoIn the UK gas central heating and hot water is extremely common but I've never heard of anyone using a gas dryer. Looking them up, it seems that they were always niche and are now off the market entirely. We were all-in on gas (partly as a result of discovering gas fields under the North Sea in the mid-20th Century) and gas stoves are still popular. (Edit: though it's increasingly uncommon for new houses to be connected to mains gas at all, and I think the government is intending to formalise that at some point). I find it fascinating how different preferences arise and end up dominating in different countries. I wonder what it is about gas dryers that make them popular in the US. Anyone got one and can enlighten me?
- crackercrews 4y agoA quick search shows they take half as long to dry a load as electric. Operating costs are also lower. Gas does cost modestly more up front though.
- philwelch 4y agoIf you live in an area where most electricity is generated by natural gas, a gas stove probably has a lower footprint than an electric stove.