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Ya I have a hard time believing something like this could be covered up in the case it was a hack. Way to many people are directly interacting with the issue a

Ya I have a hard time believing something like this could be covered up in the case it was a hack. Way to many people are directly interacting with the issue across tons of agencies. However our critical infrastructure needs to be secured in our country. This should be a major bipartisan issue too. Yet it seems like no one on either side of aisle is pushing for this. Just look at the recent attacks on power stations. If two people that want to rob some stores can take our power for thousands what can a foreign advisory hell bent on destroying the country do?

prirun 4y ago
I'm not saying it was a hack, but I have a hard time when people, especially on HN, still believe the government / large groups of people can't do successful, massive cover-ups after Snowden's revelations.
- throwanem 4y ago
  I'm not saying it wasn't a hack, but I have a hard time when people, especially on HN, still believe the government / large groups of people can do successful, massive cover-ups after Snowden's revelations.
  - pjc50 4y ago
    Yes. People have a hard time dealing with how little "revelations" change anything, even if they're true and not highly selective.
  - jjav 4y ago
    > I'm not saying it wasn't a hack, but I have a hard time when people, especially on HN, still believe the government / large groups of people can do successful, massive cover-ups after Snowden's revelations. That's a fairly naive take. There are hundreds of thousands people (more?) working on classified programs to spy on citizens. The fact that leaks are so extremely rare that a Snowden is a once-in-a-generation type of event is plenty of evidence that very large groups of people do very successfully maintain massive cover-ups nearly 100% of the time.
pjc50 4y ago
> Just look at the recent attacks on power stations Quite a lot of those have been linked to domestic extremism, and there's some distinctly partisan problems in even looking at that possibility.
- keneda7 4y ago
  Do you happen to have a source on that? The last one I found that was actually linked to domestic terrorism was Feb 2022. As far as I can find, the more recent ones have not been. In fact the police had to make a release saying the media made up the link and they had no evidence of it in the recent Georgia ones. In fact they have no idea the motive at all in those ones. The ones in Washington state were so a couple people could rob stores (they have made arrests already). I assume you are implying the right is doing the attacks here? A quick googling for attacks on infrastructure seems to mainly return cyber stuff. However most of the results on non cyber attacks are for multiple fires and train tracks that were sabotaged in past couple years in Washington state. The people that have been arrested for these attacks are not right wing, in fact for the most part they are from the left.
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  Is burglary domestic extremism now?

prirun 4y ago

I'm not saying it was a hack, but I have a hard time when people, especially on HN, still believe the government / large groups of people can't do successful, massive cover-ups after Snowden's revelations.

throwanem 4y ago
I'm not saying it wasn't a hack, but I have a hard time when people, especially on HN, still believe the government / large groups of people can do successful, massive cover-ups after Snowden's revelations.
- pjc50 4y ago
  Yes. People have a hard time dealing with how little "revelations" change anything, even if they're true and not highly selective.
- jjav 4y ago
  > I'm not saying it wasn't a hack, but I have a hard time when people, especially on HN, still believe the government / large groups of people can do successful, massive cover-ups after Snowden's revelations. That's a fairly naive take. There are hundreds of thousands people (more?) working on classified programs to spy on citizens. The fact that leaks are so extremely rare that a Snowden is a once-in-a-generation type of event is plenty of evidence that very large groups of people do very successfully maintain massive cover-ups nearly 100% of the time.

pjc50 4y ago

> Just look at the recent attacks on power stations Quite a lot of those have been linked to domestic extremism, and there's some distinctly partisan problems in even looking at that possibility.

keneda7 4y ago
Do you happen to have a source on that? The last one I found that was actually linked to domestic terrorism was Feb 2022. As far as I can find, the more recent ones have not been. In fact the police had to make a release saying the media made up the link and they had no evidence of it in the recent Georgia ones. In fact they have no idea the motive at all in those ones. The ones in Washington state were so a couple people could rob stores (they have made arrests already). I assume you are implying the right is doing the attacks here? A quick googling for attacks on infrastructure seems to mainly return cyber stuff. However most of the results on non cyber attacks are for multiple fires and train tracks that were sabotaged in past couple years in Washington state. The people that have been arrested for these attacks are not right wing, in fact for the most part they are from the left.
readthenotes1 4y ago
Is burglary domestic extremism now?