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Muslim's here, Halal as in حلال and Haram as in حَرَام do not limit themselves to stuff related to food. Really it's not. I am not implying that Internet can be

by nazar 15y ago

Muslim's here, Halal as in حلال and Haram as in حَرَام do not limit themselves to stuff related to food. Really it's not. I am not implying that Internet can be haram or halal, but there are things besides food that are considered either halal or haram. For example, sexual intercourse without nikah is considered haram, and the opposite is considered halal. ‎ ‎

darklajid 15y ago
I'm completely clueless and wanted to know what 'nikah' is here. I'm sure I'm missing subtleties, but it might help other readers to think of 'marriage' or 'marriage contract' etc.. I wasn't sure what to make of it and thought for a second that it's an accessory or something like that.
- nazar 15y ago
  I am sorry for not providing enough details. Nikah is a kind of procedure, analogous to the christian church procedure where priest makes the marriage lawful by christian rules, but instead the priest, we have mullahs, and instead of church we have mosques( Though if I am not mistaken, my parents had their nikah at home, which is also considered ok at least in our country). I think the wikipedia page would be the most unbiased source for you to check out if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam
Jun8 15y ago
Thanks for correcting the mistake in the parent comment. For the uninitiated: as a simplification things you can do fall into three categories: halal (you can do it and it's a good thing), makruh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makruh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makruh, مكروه) (smt that's not a clear sin but should best be avoided), and haram (you shouldn't do it, it's sin), these all have subclasses and it's complicated, so this is a rough guide. The non-Muslim population generally encounters only the food aspect of this distinction, due to notices on restaurants and food items. Now, many (orthodox) Muslims would consider lusting after women who are not your wife (or wives where that applies) as haram, and see the Internet as a thing that facilitates this. This is not a new thing, e.g. the Internet is heavily filtered in Saudi Arabia. You can't subscribe to, say, Playboy from that country or have it sent to you, because they check the mail items. Now, whether all this makes sense in year 2012 is another question.
- rmc 15y ago
  Non-Muslim, Christian countries have banned Playboy, under 'obscenity' rules aswell.
- oelewapperke 15y ago
  "Now, many (orthodox) Muslims would consider lusting after women who are not your wife" That's not -at all- what Sharia states. You can lust after any woman as long as any of 2 conditions apply : (1) she is your wife (or wife-to-be) (2) you own her. You can buy her. You can kidnap her into slavery. You conveniently left out the fact that islam mandates slavery, that the vast majority of lust described in the hadith by your "moral" prophet falls into category 2.
Aloisius 15y ago
Interesting. The Jewish equivalents of kosher (proper), parve (neutral) or treif (bad) also originally only applied to food (Kashrut dietary laws), but going as far back as the 3rd century, kosher came to mean "virtuous." It is pretty easy jump once you start talking about utensils used for food being kosher or not.
- ekanes 15y ago
  I think "muksah" might actually be closer than parve, in this context.
- whatusername 15y ago
  Reverse Influence from Christianity perhaps? I may have lost the faith - but I've always liked the following as a religious statement: (From Matt 15 / ESV) You are still no more intelligent than the others.17 Don't you understand? Anything that goes into your mouth goes into your stomach and then on out of your body.18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these are the things that make you ritually unclean.19 For from your heart come the evil ideas which lead you to kill, commit adultery, and do other immoral things; to rob, lie, and slander others.20 These are the things that make you unclean. But to eat without washing your hands as they say you should—this doesn't make you unclean.
ithought 15y ago
Jew here. I'm willing to give up my religion if I can find a Muslim friend to pledge to give up his religion. We could become deists and agree to stop allowing religion to influence government, culture and education.

by nazar 15y ago

darklajid 15y ago

I'm completely clueless and wanted to know what 'nikah' is here. I'm sure I'm missing subtleties, but it might help other readers to think of 'marriage' or 'marriage contract' etc.. I wasn't sure what to make of it and thought for a second that it's an accessory or something like that.

nazar 15y ago
I am sorry for not providing enough details. Nikah is a kind of procedure, analogous to the christian church procedure where priest makes the marriage lawful by christian rules, but instead the priest, we have mullahs, and instead of church we have mosques( Though if I am not mistaken, my parents had their nikah at home, which is also considered ok at least in our country). I think the wikipedia page would be the most unbiased source for you to check out if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_Islam

Jun8 15y ago

Thanks for correcting the mistake in the parent comment. For the uninitiated: as a simplification things you can do fall into three categories: halal (you can do it and it's a good thing), makruh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makruh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makruh, مكروه) (smt that's not a clear sin but should best be avoided), and haram (you shouldn't do it, it's sin), these all have subclasses and it's complicated, so this is a rough guide. The non-Muslim population generally encounters only the food aspect of this distinction, due to notices on restaurants and food items. Now, many (orthodox) Muslims would consider lusting after women who are not your wife (or wives where that applies) as haram, and see the Internet as a thing that facilitates this. This is not a new thing, e.g. the Internet is heavily filtered in Saudi Arabia. You can't subscribe to, say, Playboy from that country or have it sent to you, because they check the mail items. Now, whether all this makes sense in year 2012 is another question.

rmc 15y ago
Non-Muslim, Christian countries have banned Playboy, under 'obscenity' rules aswell.
oelewapperke 15y ago
"Now, many (orthodox) Muslims would consider lusting after women who are not your wife" That's not -at all- what Sharia states. You can lust after any woman as long as any of 2 conditions apply : (1) she is your wife (or wife-to-be) (2) you own her. You can buy her. You can kidnap her into slavery. You conveniently left out the fact that islam mandates slavery, that the vast majority of lust described in the hadith by your "moral" prophet falls into category 2.

Aloisius 15y ago

Interesting. The Jewish equivalents of kosher (proper), parve (neutral) or treif (bad) also originally only applied to food (Kashrut dietary laws), but going as far back as the 3rd century, kosher came to mean "virtuous." It is pretty easy jump once you start talking about utensils used for food being kosher or not.

ekanes 15y ago
I think "muksah" might actually be closer than parve, in this context.
whatusername 15y ago
Reverse Influence from Christianity perhaps? I may have lost the faith - but I've always liked the following as a religious statement: (From Matt 15 / ESV) You are still no more intelligent than the others.17 Don't you understand? Anything that goes into your mouth goes into your stomach and then on out of your body.18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these are the things that make you ritually unclean.19 For from your heart come the evil ideas which lead you to kill, commit adultery, and do other immoral things; to rob, lie, and slander others.20 These are the things that make you unclean. But to eat without washing your hands as they say you should—this doesn't make you unclean.

ithought 15y ago

Jew here. I'm willing to give up my religion if I can find a Muslim friend to pledge to give up his religion. We could become deists and agree to stop allowing religion to influence government, culture and education.