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fyi neuralink fundamentally doesn't work.

by bfeynman 4y ago

nullish_signal 4y ago
Elaborate? The demo of a Pig on a Treadmill, with accurate predictions of Joint Locations, was very impressive to me.
- bfeynman 4y ago
  The longevity and viability of their work being anything more than terminal experiments is the main thing, those obviously do not make it to normal human usage. Implantable electrodes have been around for a while and are not new technology.
- pySSK 4y ago
  That has existed in academia for 10-20 years. The only thing different is the marketing + the move fast break things ethos both of which are typically frowned upon in academia.
  - nullish_signal 4y ago
    Again, I would appreciate some Links, Product Names, and Elaboration. I'm a Video Gamer, not a Bio-Electrician Researcher aware of the past 3 Decades of Cutting Edge Technologies.
    - bfeynman 4y ago
      Do research yourself don't listen to randos on internet. Just look up on google scholar results for "implantable electrodes scarring" you can get hundreds of papers on it.
nullish_signal 4y ago
Monkeys typing with Neuralink also seemed like a Cut and Dry demonstration of the potential usefulness of the device. I'm baffled as to how you can say "fyi it's fundamentally broken" without giving more detail.
- bfeynman 4y ago
  physiologically, the devices have a limited lifespan due to fact that the tissue will start scarring over and render the electrodes worthless, it's an invasive procedure that can only be done once or twice. Neuronal actions are chemical interactions, not digital computer signals as well. I agree the work they've done is kind of exciting, but they didn't solve one of the crucial issues that's been blocking the field and technology from flourishing, implantable electrodes have been around for a long time.
  - nullish_signal 4y ago
    Thank you for explaining yourself. Searching 'neuralink "scar"' ('' removed) got me information about the ethical issues of Neuralink@UC Davis, and a 2020 article about potential polymers to use in the wires. I will continue to wait and see how the tech develops - I certainly was never planning on being one of the first early adopters anyways, but I still see a lot of potential for Paraplegics, and then obviously Consumer usage eventually.
    - bfeynman 4y ago
      I'm not expert but was involved in adjacent field, so I do not have a singular explanation and one pager. Neuroscience/biology research is complex, but a good indicator is that there are hundreds of papers on trying to modulate responses to implants. They have not gotten very far on a resilient solution to it, and like I said, it's been decades since they've discovered this problem and the fact that neural link doesn't even bring it up leads me to believe they are just BS ing everyone in the same way elon ignored major questions about FSD for tesla, they are nowhere near solving the actual crux of the issue.

fyi neuralink fundamentally doesn't work.

nullish_signal 4y ago

Elaborate? The demo of a Pig on a Treadmill, with accurate predictions of Joint Locations, was very impressive to me.

bfeynman 4y ago
The longevity and viability of their work being anything more than terminal experiments is the main thing, those obviously do not make it to normal human usage. Implantable electrodes have been around for a while and are not new technology.
pySSK 4y ago
That has existed in academia for 10-20 years. The only thing different is the marketing + the move fast break things ethos both of which are typically frowned upon in academia.
- nullish_signal 4y ago
  Again, I would appreciate some Links, Product Names, and Elaboration. I'm a Video Gamer, not a Bio-Electrician Researcher aware of the past 3 Decades of Cutting Edge Technologies.
  - bfeynman 4y ago
    Do research yourself don't listen to randos on internet. Just look up on google scholar results for "implantable electrodes scarring" you can get hundreds of papers on it.

nullish_signal 4y ago

Monkeys typing with Neuralink also seemed like a Cut and Dry demonstration of the potential usefulness of the device. I'm baffled as to how you can say "fyi it's fundamentally broken" without giving more detail.

bfeynman 4y ago
physiologically, the devices have a limited lifespan due to fact that the tissue will start scarring over and render the electrodes worthless, it's an invasive procedure that can only be done once or twice. Neuronal actions are chemical interactions, not digital computer signals as well. I agree the work they've done is kind of exciting, but they didn't solve one of the crucial issues that's been blocking the field and technology from flourishing, implantable electrodes have been around for a long time.
- nullish_signal 4y ago
  Thank you for explaining yourself. Searching 'neuralink "scar"' ('' removed) got me information about the ethical issues of Neuralink@UC Davis, and a 2020 article about potential polymers to use in the wires. I will continue to wait and see how the tech develops - I certainly was never planning on being one of the first early adopters anyways, but I still see a lot of potential for Paraplegics, and then obviously Consumer usage eventually.
  - bfeynman 4y ago
    I'm not expert but was involved in adjacent field, so I do not have a singular explanation and one pager. Neuroscience/biology research is complex, but a good indicator is that there are hundreds of papers on trying to modulate responses to implants. They have not gotten very far on a resilient solution to it, and like I said, it's been decades since they've discovered this problem and the fact that neural link doesn't even bring it up leads me to believe they are just BS ing everyone in the same way elon ignored major questions about FSD for tesla, they are nowhere near solving the actual crux of the issue.