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I wouldn't say I'm aiming to spread them. I'm asking a bunch of people more educated than I (HackerNews readers) if there is any truth/concern to any of it. Yo

I wouldn't say I'm aiming to spread them. I'm asking a bunch of people more educated than I (HackerNews readers) if there is any truth/concern to any of it. You can find 10 posts in the past 30 days where people here are saying "omg, greedy corporation does greedy thing". Just the other day we had a post saying "maybe the U.S. economy won't continue to grow forever and the stock market won't continue to return 7% a year" Asked ChatGPT > Is Wall Street known to be trustworthy and moral? > Over the years there have been many instances of scandals, manipulation and fraud on Wall Street, which has damaged the reputation of the street. Asked it this as well > Are there instances of the U.S. government hiding the truth/lying to its citizens/being inefficient with taxpayer money? > There have been instances in history where the U.S. government has been accused of hiding the truth, lying to its citizens, or being inefficient with taxpayer money. I'm just trying to have a conversation. These MAGA people get a ton of power when you shut them down because they can point and say "see! listen! they don't want our points to be voiced! that means we're onto something"

danaris 4y ago
ChatGPT's answers on questions like this aren't going to be usefully correct: they're merely going to repeat at best a synthesis/summary of what people have said on the topic in extant writings. But this is a question about trust and morals, which cannot be decided merely by consensus; any meaningful answer to it must be rooted in an actual value system and an understanding of trust.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > ChatGPT's answers on questions like this aren't going to be usefully correct: they're merely going to repeat at best a synthesis/summary of what people have said It might repeat what some people have said. ChatGPT isn't designed to determine a consensus or to use a representative sample.
  - danaris 4y ago
    Fair. My point was largely that it doesn't "know" or "understand" anything itself, in order to draw conclusions; it merely has a whole lot of text in it and a model that allows it to associate that text very convincingly to look like it knows stuff. Thus, any answer it gives on a question like this will not be based on a comprehensive analysis of data, but rather on what the model predicts people would most likely say about the subject.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      I think it's a good point, and I hate to nitpick, but a precise understanding of ChatGPT and related tech is critical. > the model predicts people would most likely say about the subject Is that truly the design and the output? What "people"? Is "most likely" the goal or output? Is it structured by subject? Maybe you know, but many people are leaping to conclusions.
wolverine876 4y ago
> Asked ChatGPT Are you using ChatGPT as a source of truth? If so, what do you think about the obvious accuracy issues?
DonHopkins 4y ago
Of course you wouldn't say that, but what matters isn't where you claim you're aiming, it's what you're doing: parroting MAGA crazed conspiracy theories. "Argument from ChatGPT" is much worse than Argument from Authority. If you can't come up with your own arguments, then don't quote ChatGPT's arguments to me, just admit you're out of arguments. Oh no, by shutting down and not listening to MAGA conspiracy theory parrots like you, I'm giving them power, because then they'll point fingers and lie, you threaten??! Well they'll certainly point fingers and lie even if I listen to them too, so be it. Hmm, now where have I heard that "I don't believe what I'm saying, I'm just askin' questions" line before, again and again? Tucker “Just Asking Questions” Carlson Wants to Know What Putin Ever Did to You https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/tucker-just-asking-questions-carlson-wants-to-know-what-putin-ever-did-to-you https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/tucker-just-asking-q... Fox News is 'Just Asking Questions' About the Safety of Vaccines https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-is-just-asking-questions-about-the-safety-of-v-1796802398 https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-is-just-asking-questions-about-... Seth Meyers Nails Tucker Carlson’s ‘Just Asking Questions’ Nonsense https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-meyers-nails-tucker-carlsons-just-asking-questions-nonsense https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-meyers-nails-tucker-carls...
- vagrantJin 4y ago
  > Tucker “Just Asking Questions” Carlson Wants to Know What Putin Ever Did to You In the interest of geopolitical curiosity and fairness, what exactly did Putin do to you?
- MuffinFlavored 4y ago
  > Of course you wouldn't say that, but what matters is what you're doing, not were you claim you're aiming. How is me trying to discuss what somewhere between 0 and 50% of registered American voters believes in regards to "crypto fraud versus Wall Street fraud versus the stock market has been running on 0% interest rate money is basically fake fraud" whatever it is you're accusing me of doing? I'm surprised somebody who has been on this site since 2014 with 20,000 karma is this rude/accusatory.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago

danaris 4y ago

ChatGPT's answers on questions like this aren't going to be usefully correct: they're merely going to repeat at best a synthesis/summary of what people have said on the topic in extant writings. But this is a question about trust and morals, which cannot be decided merely by consensus; any meaningful answer to it must be rooted in an actual value system and an understanding of trust.

wolverine876 4y ago
> ChatGPT's answers on questions like this aren't going to be usefully correct: they're merely going to repeat at best a synthesis/summary of what people have said It might repeat what some people have said. ChatGPT isn't designed to determine a consensus or to use a representative sample.
- danaris 4y ago
  Fair. My point was largely that it doesn't "know" or "understand" anything itself, in order to draw conclusions; it merely has a whole lot of text in it and a model that allows it to associate that text very convincingly to look like it knows stuff. Thus, any answer it gives on a question like this will not be based on a comprehensive analysis of data, but rather on what the model predicts people would most likely say about the subject.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    I think it's a good point, and I hate to nitpick, but a precise understanding of ChatGPT and related tech is critical. > the model predicts people would most likely say about the subject Is that truly the design and the output? What "people"? Is "most likely" the goal or output? Is it structured by subject? Maybe you know, but many people are leaping to conclusions.

wolverine876 4y ago

> Asked ChatGPT Are you using ChatGPT as a source of truth? If so, what do you think about the obvious accuracy issues?

DonHopkins 4y ago

Of course you wouldn't say that, but what matters isn't where you claim you're aiming, it's what you're doing: parroting MAGA crazed conspiracy theories. "Argument from ChatGPT" is much worse than Argument from Authority. If you can't come up with your own arguments, then don't quote ChatGPT's arguments to me, just admit you're out of arguments. Oh no, by shutting down and not listening to MAGA conspiracy theory parrots like you, I'm giving them power, because then they'll point fingers and lie, you threaten??! Well they'll certainly point fingers and lie even if I listen to them too, so be it. Hmm, now where have I heard that "I don't believe what I'm saying, I'm just askin' questions" line before, again and again? Tucker “Just Asking Questions” Carlson Wants to Know What Putin Ever Did to You https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/tucker-just-asking-questions-carlson-wants-to-know-what-putin-ever-did-to-you https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/tucker-just-asking-q... Fox News is 'Just Asking Questions' About the Safety of Vaccines https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-is-just-asking-questions-about-the-safety-of-v-1796802398 https://gizmodo.com/fox-news-is-just-asking-questions-about-... Seth Meyers Nails Tucker Carlson’s ‘Just Asking Questions’ Nonsense https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-meyers-nails-tucker-carlsons-just-asking-questions-nonsense https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-meyers-nails-tucker-carls...

vagrantJin 4y ago
> Tucker “Just Asking Questions” Carlson Wants to Know What Putin Ever Did to You In the interest of geopolitical curiosity and fairness, what exactly did Putin do to you?
MuffinFlavored 4y ago
> Of course you wouldn't say that, but what matters is what you're doing, not were you claim you're aiming. How is me trying to discuss what somewhere between 0 and 50% of registered American voters believes in regards to "crypto fraud versus Wall Street fraud versus the stock market has been running on 0% interest rate money is basically fake fraud" whatever it is you're accusing me of doing? I'm surprised somebody who has been on this site since 2014 with 20,000 karma is this rude/accusatory.
- DonHopkins 4y ago