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Can't it just go Tether -> BTC -> USDC?

jakelazaroff 4y ago
That exposes you to the price of BTC. USDT and USDC should both be pegged to USD, so (in theory) the market won’t move against you while you’re trading.
- metaphor 4y ago
  How is that exposure material for a typical holder given the supposed "velocity of crypto"? Or did mean that the implied trade is direct USDT -> USDC? P.S. Genuine question; I don't dabble in crypto.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    A BTC transaction can easily take 30 minutes to confirm. In that time, the price of BTC fluctuates and if there’s an exodus from tether to BTC, it could fluctuate a lot.
    - metaphor 4y ago
      So from what you're saying, I gather that in a hypothetical USDT -> BTC -> USDC repositioning, even if you were to execute the first USDT -> BTC leg, you wouldn't be able to execute the next BTC -> USDC leg until after this first transaction to BTC has been "confirmed", and each leg of the trade "can easily take 30 minutes to confirm" all the while exposing the position to BTC downside volatility risk? I find it very strange that crypto exchanges don't handle execution, confirmation and settlement in the same way as traditional markets. Also, wasn't the major sell point of stablecoins to enable direct crypto-to-crypto transactions without ever needing to first settle in fiat currency, e.g. USDT -> USDC, as opposed to USDT -> USD -> USDC?
      - charcircuit 4y ago
        >I find it very strange that crypto exchanges don't handle execution, confirmation and settlement in the same way as traditional markets I'm not sure what he is talking about. On centralized exchangers execution, confirmation, and settlement happen nearly instantly. Unlike with stocks there is no 2 day settlement time. For decentralized exchanges you can do it in 1 transaction executing both trades atomically. Modern token swaps will look for the optimal series of trades to make from available DEXs to give you the best rate. It can automatically check if it's better to go straight from USDT to USDC or if it's better to swap to bitcoin first. Sometimes it makes sense to split it up so some of it is direct swap and the other part of it uses an extra leg to get a better deal.
        TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        > I'm not sure what he is talking about I’m not a big trader, but people send me BTC about once per week. It takes 30 minutes easily to get the transaction confirmed on the blockchain. Before that, it’s not clear the transaction is legit. And I have had one or two transactions that don’t reach the magic number of 6 confirmations. I’m not sure how the sender pulls that off, but I alert them of it, don’t deliver the goods, and they haven’t complained (knowing they sent a fraudulent transaction? I don’t know) It’s my understanding those confirmations are being done by miners who get a small fee that me or the sender’s pay.I see this labeled as “network fee”.
        charcircuit 4y ago
        If someone is trading between USDT and bitcoin they are not going to be doing it on the bitcoin network. They are going to be doing it on a CEX where there is no confirmation time or they will be using a derivative such as wrapped bitcoin on another network such as Ethereum. The 30 minute wait would only make sense if you were to trade USDT for bitcoin on a CEX, then send that money using bitcoin to another CEX to execute the next trade to USDC.
      - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        > you wouldn't be able to execute the next BTC -> USDC leg until after this first transaction to BTC has been "confirmed", and each leg of the trade "can easily take 30 minutes to confirm" all the while exposing the position to BTC downside volatility risk? Precisely. > find it very strange that crypto exchanges don't handle execution, confirmation and settlement in the same way as traditional markets You don’t have to use an exchange to trade crypto. You can send crypto from one wallet to another without any exchange or anyone else in the middle (Except miners who are paid to confirm the transaction)
throwaway742 4y ago
Are there no direct Tether/USDC pairing anywhere?
- jasmine999 4y ago
  https://curve.fi/#/ethereum/swap https://curve.fi/#/ethereum/swap Curve protocol has a ton of decentralized usdt pools with massive liquidity. Most people on this thread aren't really into defi, you can tell..
  - throwaway742 4y ago
    Yeah I'm more of a hoodler than a trader, but it seemed unfathomable to me that you wouldn't be able to trade them directly. It's just common sense.

That exposes you to the price of BTC. USDT and USDC should both be pegged to USD, so (in theory) the market won’t move against you while you’re trading.

metaphor 4y ago
How is that exposure material for a typical holder given the supposed "velocity of crypto"? Or did mean that the implied trade is direct USDT -> USDC? P.S. Genuine question; I don't dabble in crypto.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  A BTC transaction can easily take 30 minutes to confirm. In that time, the price of BTC fluctuates and if there’s an exodus from tether to BTC, it could fluctuate a lot.
  - metaphor 4y ago
    So from what you're saying, I gather that in a hypothetical USDT -> BTC -> USDC repositioning, even if you were to execute the first USDT -> BTC leg, you wouldn't be able to execute the next BTC -> USDC leg until after this first transaction to BTC has been "confirmed", and each leg of the trade "can easily take 30 minutes to confirm" all the while exposing the position to BTC downside volatility risk? I find it very strange that crypto exchanges don't handle execution, confirmation and settlement in the same way as traditional markets. Also, wasn't the major sell point of stablecoins to enable direct crypto-to-crypto transactions without ever needing to first settle in fiat currency, e.g. USDT -> USDC, as opposed to USDT -> USD -> USDC?
    - charcircuit 4y ago
      >I find it very strange that crypto exchanges don't handle execution, confirmation and settlement in the same way as traditional markets I'm not sure what he is talking about. On centralized exchangers execution, confirmation, and settlement happen nearly instantly. Unlike with stocks there is no 2 day settlement time. For decentralized exchanges you can do it in 1 transaction executing both trades atomically. Modern token swaps will look for the optimal series of trades to make from available DEXs to give you the best rate. It can automatically check if it's better to go straight from USDT to USDC or if it's better to swap to bitcoin first. Sometimes it makes sense to split it up so some of it is direct swap and the other part of it uses an extra leg to get a better deal.
      - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        > I'm not sure what he is talking about I’m not a big trader, but people send me BTC about once per week. It takes 30 minutes easily to get the transaction confirmed on the blockchain. Before that, it’s not clear the transaction is legit. And I have had one or two transactions that don’t reach the magic number of 6 confirmations. I’m not sure how the sender pulls that off, but I alert them of it, don’t deliver the goods, and they haven’t complained (knowing they sent a fraudulent transaction? I don’t know) It’s my understanding those confirmations are being done by miners who get a small fee that me or the sender’s pay.I see this labeled as “network fee”.
        charcircuit 4y ago
        If someone is trading between USDT and bitcoin they are not going to be doing it on the bitcoin network. They are going to be doing it on a CEX where there is no confirmation time or they will be using a derivative such as wrapped bitcoin on another network such as Ethereum. The 30 minute wait would only make sense if you were to trade USDT for bitcoin on a CEX, then send that money using bitcoin to another CEX to execute the next trade to USDC.
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      > you wouldn't be able to execute the next BTC -> USDC leg until after this first transaction to BTC has been "confirmed", and each leg of the trade "can easily take 30 minutes to confirm" all the while exposing the position to BTC downside volatility risk? Precisely. > find it very strange that crypto exchanges don't handle execution, confirmation and settlement in the same way as traditional markets You don’t have to use an exchange to trade crypto. You can send crypto from one wallet to another without any exchange or anyone else in the middle (Except miners who are paid to confirm the transaction)

throwaway742 4y ago

Are there no direct Tether/USDC pairing anywhere?

jasmine999 4y ago
https://curve.fi/#/ethereum/swap https://curve.fi/#/ethereum/swap Curve protocol has a ton of decentralized usdt pools with massive liquidity. Most people on this thread aren't really into defi, you can tell..
- throwaway742 4y ago
  Yeah I'm more of a hoodler than a trader, but it seemed unfathomable to me that you wouldn't be able to trade them directly. It's just common sense.