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Simultaneously, you can see that in several of these cherry picked examples the coldest temps recorded during those times were quite close to the record cold as

Simultaneously, you can see that in several of these cherry picked examples the coldest temps recorded during those times were quite close to the record cold as well. If you look at the global maps, you can see that while some regions are extra warm, (eastern Europe and Russia being main ones), there are complimentary countries being extra cold. We can also look to the US midwest which around Christmas faces winchill temps around -60F and had several feet of snowfall in just a couple weeks. It really makes a person wonder why this topic can only ever go one direction. Why we can’t even examine the data that don’t wholesale support the narrative.

tmtvl 4y ago
Agreed, just looking at specific outliers is a fairly pointless exercise. The only way to discuss the topic reasonably is to look at global trends over a larger timescale. Doing so we can see that starting from the Industrial Revolution global mean temperatures have been rising sharply: https://web.archive.org/web/20200202220240/https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2020/2019-years/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200202220240/https://www.clima...
- thinking4real 4y ago
  Go back to the biblical times. Egypt used to be a lush garden. You’re making the mistake of looking at too small a data sample and assuming what came before. Not rational at all, just parroting a narrative, sadly.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > The only way to discuss the topic reasonably is to look at global trends over a larger timescale. I don't think it would be remotely reasonable to ignore events we're seeing now on decade-length time scales.[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/08/world-on-brink-five-climate-tipping-points-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/08/world-on...
  - tmtvl 4y ago
    Yes, decade-length timescales are more reasonable than looking at outlier temperatures which occur in a year-by-year basis. One of the two worthwhile citations that Guardian article provides shows changing trends over the course of centuries: https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/events/climate-tipping-points-irreversibilty-and-their-consequences-for-society-environment-and-economies-switzerlands-proposal-for-an-ipcc-special-report/ https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/events/climate-tipp... On an unrelated note, that Guardian article is so bad, there are like two references to proper peer-reviewed scientific articles and all the other references are to older Guardian articles... and none of the references are properly cited. It's almost as bad as a Crowder article, really shoddy journalism.
Maursault 4y ago
> Why we can’t even examine the data that don’t wholesale support the narrative. I agree, and yet, I believe you are mistaken. Everything single anecdote you provided about cold weather supports the Climate Change narrative, which doesn't merely predict a hotter weather, but, instead, extremes which stand in stark contrast to the mild climate of the last 10K years. More than 30 people died in Buffalo during the last snow storm. You really think that shows Climate Change isn't real, or that it was a freak outlier? The more data you include, the more sure we'll be Climate Change is real and not the opposite.

tmtvl 4y ago

Agreed, just looking at specific outliers is a fairly pointless exercise. The only way to discuss the topic reasonably is to look at global trends over a larger timescale. Doing so we can see that starting from the Industrial Revolution global mean temperatures have been rising sharply: https://web.archive.org/web/20200202220240/https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2020/2019-years/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200202220240/https://www.clima...

thinking4real 4y ago
Go back to the biblical times. Egypt used to be a lush garden. You’re making the mistake of looking at too small a data sample and assuming what came before. Not rational at all, just parroting a narrative, sadly.
Maursault 4y ago
> The only way to discuss the topic reasonably is to look at global trends over a larger timescale. I don't think it would be remotely reasonable to ignore events we're seeing now on decade-length time scales.[0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/08/world-on-brink-five-climate-tipping-points-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/08/world-on...
- tmtvl 4y ago
  Yes, decade-length timescales are more reasonable than looking at outlier temperatures which occur in a year-by-year basis. One of the two worthwhile citations that Guardian article provides shows changing trends over the course of centuries: https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/events/climate-tipping-points-irreversibilty-and-their-consequences-for-society-environment-and-economies-switzerlands-proposal-for-an-ipcc-special-report/ https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/events/climate-tipp... On an unrelated note, that Guardian article is so bad, there are like two references to proper peer-reviewed scientific articles and all the other references are to older Guardian articles... and none of the references are properly cited. It's almost as bad as a Crowder article, really shoddy journalism.

Maursault 4y ago

> Why we can’t even examine the data that don’t wholesale support the narrative. I agree, and yet, I believe you are mistaken. Everything single anecdote you provided about cold weather supports the Climate Change narrative, which doesn't merely predict a hotter weather, but, instead, extremes which stand in stark contrast to the mild climate of the last 10K years. More than 30 people died in Buffalo during the last snow storm. You really think that shows Climate Change isn't real, or that it was a freak outlier? The more data you include, the more sure we'll be Climate Change is real and not the opposite.