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Musk has repeatedly been called out by regulators for his misinformation. Some claims, like the safety of autopilot have been directly debunked by research. Thi
by culi 4y ago
Musk has repeatedly been called out by regulators for his misinformation. Some claims, like the safety of autopilot have been directly debunked by research. This article has a good literature review if you're interested:
[0] https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973/3986 https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/1973/3986
> In independent research, Templeton (2020)compared Tesla’s stated crash rates with Autopilot enabled and not enabled by attempting to control for increased use of Autopilot on relatively safer freeways. To compare human-driven crash rates of freeways and non-freeways, Templeton used fatality rates, which may overestimate crash rates on freeways as higher speeds increase crash severity according to a fourth power law (Evans, 1994). When controlling for road type, the crash rate benefits of Autopilot narrowed significantly. Templeton was unable to fully assess their comparison of Autopilot crash rates with national estimates due to their different definitions of crashes.
> Goodall (2021)investigated struck-from-behind crashes of automated vehicles using age-weighted crash rates from SHRP 2 NDS database as a baseline. Automated vehicles were struck from behind at five times the rate of human-driven vehicles, although much of the difference could be attributed to higher rates of urban driving experienced in automated vehicle testing.
I'm also not sure what percent of level 2 ADAS vehicles are Tesla vs other brands but they're by far the most common vehicles with driver-assist involved:
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/15/23168088/nhtsa-adas-self-driving-crash-data-tesla https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/15/23168088/nhtsa-adas-self-...
Google's Waymo was lightyears ahead of Tesla. The reason they didn't go to market was that they knew it wasn't really ready. Elon Musk has lied (as in he knew the truth and lied) about their driver assistant technology's safety and capabilities and has been sued for it[2]. There's no other way to sugarcoat it
[2] https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/14/23353787/elon-musk-tesla-lawsuit-autopilot-full-self-driving-promises https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/14/23353787/elon-musk-tesla-...
- oneoff786 4y agoYour first quote implies that the Tesla autopilot had better than average performance but not by much, when normalized for roads. Like… sure. Who cares? That’s a nuanced statistic that doesn’t even change the direction of the difference. Your second argument… again, sure, whatever? Not a contradiction or evidence of a lie.
- culi 4y agoOk lemme slow down and do it one at a time. Remember the battery swap scandal? There were many articles written about it.[0] Turns out it was a conscious scam by Tesla to increase its vehicle credits[1] I've got more, but I think I'd have better luck taking it one at a time so I'll wait... [0] https://dailykanban.com/2015/05/27/tesla-battery-swap-unused-over-busy-holiday-weekend/ https://dailykanban.com/2015/05/27/tesla-battery-swap-unused... [1] https://dailykanban.com/2015/05/27/tesla-battery-swap-unused-over-busy-holiday-weekend/ https://dailykanban.com/2015/05/27/tesla-battery-swap-unused...
- oneoff786 4y agoI don’t care about Tesla much so… no, I don’t know about a battery swap scandal from 7 years ago. But reading this first article (which is the same as the second article) it would appear that Tesla invited people to use a battery swap facility and a team of investigators staked it out for 48 hours and nobody came. ??? What am I supposed to take from this? I think maybe you intended to provide a different article with an actual claim but the first one seems unlikely to matter. I’d like to see something specific to claims that teslas aren’t actually safer than average if possible