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Middle-class literally stands for "in the middle" of working-class and upper class. You can disagree on who's in there, how many are in there, etc but disagreei

by remram 4y ago

Middle-class literally stands for "in the middle" of working-class and upper class. You can disagree on who's in there, how many are in there, etc but disagreeing about what it means is futile. The middle class is not the working class, by definition. See also sibling subthread.

acdha 4y ago
Again, your mistake is in assuming that there’s a single unambiguous definition. As other people have attempted to help you learn that is not true in popular usage. Rather than unsuccessfully being pedantic it would be better to more precisely state which particular attributes you care about in the context of the larger conversation.
- remram 4y ago
  Popular usage seems to be just you two. I have provided sources in the other subthread, telling me what you think everyone believes is unconvincing.
  - acdha 4y ago
    Less inaccurately, you cherry-picked a single quote on Wikipedia from a century old source and ignored the rest of the page saying that definitions vary. I’m not sure why you feel the need to belabor this point but would suggest reading the entire page or at least the first paragraph: > Common definitions for the middle class range from the middle fifth of individuals on a nation's income ladder, to everyone but the poorest and wealthiest 20%
    - remram 4y ago
      I posted this direct link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class#Academic_models https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class#Academic... You accuse me of not reading the entire article but you don't read it or even my comment? > > Common definitions for the middle class range from the middle fifth of individuals on a nation's income ladder, to everyone but the poorest and wealthiest 20% Your quote says that the size of the "middle-class" group varies, not that it overlaps the "working class" group. I don't understand where you are stuck. In case you lost track, here is the comment that you are seemingly supporting: > Working class and middle class are not mutually exclusive

by remram 4y ago

acdha 4y ago

Again, your mistake is in assuming that there’s a single unambiguous definition. As other people have attempted to help you learn that is not true in popular usage. Rather than unsuccessfully being pedantic it would be better to more precisely state which particular attributes you care about in the context of the larger conversation.

remram 4y ago
Popular usage seems to be just you two. I have provided sources in the other subthread, telling me what you think everyone believes is unconvincing.
- acdha 4y ago
  Less inaccurately, you cherry-picked a single quote on Wikipedia from a century old source and ignored the rest of the page saying that definitions vary. I’m not sure why you feel the need to belabor this point but would suggest reading the entire page or at least the first paragraph: > Common definitions for the middle class range from the middle fifth of individuals on a nation's income ladder, to everyone but the poorest and wealthiest 20%
  - remram 4y ago
    I posted this direct link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class#Academic_models https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_middle_class#Academic... You accuse me of not reading the entire article but you don't read it or even my comment? > > Common definitions for the middle class range from the middle fifth of individuals on a nation's income ladder, to everyone but the poorest and wealthiest 20% Your quote says that the size of the "middle-class" group varies, not that it overlaps the "working class" group. I don't understand where you are stuck. In case you lost track, here is the comment that you are seemingly supporting: > Working class and middle class are not mutually exclusive