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It pisses me off and I'm not even distantly related to the Apache people, because I know if it were the name of my own ethnic/cultural group I would be personal

It pisses me off and I'm not even distantly related to the Apache people, because I know if it were the name of my own ethnic/cultural group I would be personally bothered by it. Consider empathy.

subsistence234 4y ago
I would love it if my ethnic group were more widely known. >Consider empathy. You're not really asking for empathy. Neither of us is the arbiter of right and wrong. You have an opinion, so does everyone else.
kodyo 4y ago
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- nerdponx 4y ago
  They did, that's literally the link at the top of the thread. And people are finding excuses to belittle and dismiss it. At some point you just have to admit that you don't respect people, instead of finding excuses.
  - kodyo 4y ago
    This appears to be the opinion of the three people who signed their name to the post on this particular website, who appear to have nominated themselves to speak on behalf of the Apache tribes. There's not even an About Us page that describes their tribal influence. I'm not dismissing the feelings of anybody other than these three people who are claiming a grievance. If the movement grows, I'll reconsider.
    - nerdponx 4y ago
      What's the threshold above which a grievance becomes legitimate? Who determines it?
      - kodyo 4y ago
        Your threshold appears to be three people. Mine's higher, I guess.
        nerdponx 4y ago
        You act as if these are the only 3 people to ever express annoyance about this type of thing. These are the first 3 people you've seen complain about this specific instance. Look up what people say about the Cleveland Indians and Atlanta Braves, and similar heated debate over other sports mascots.
        kyleee 4y ago
        The reasonable thing to do would be to have this issue out to a referendum vote within the Apache community. Without knowing how the community overall actually feels about this issue it’s actually quite presumptuous for outsiders to butt in either way. The Apache community may want to prioritize other issues, or maybe indeed they’d want to focus on renaming this piece of software. I’d be much more comfortable if we let the Apache community decide before spending too much time and energy on the topic

It pisses me off and I'm not even distantly related to the Apache people, because I know if it were the name of my own ethnic/cultural group I would be personally bothered by it. Consider empathy.

subsistence234 4y ago

I would love it if my ethnic group were more widely known. >Consider empathy. You're not really asking for empathy. Neither of us is the arbiter of right and wrong. You have an opinion, so does everyone else.

kodyo 4y ago

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nerdponx 4y ago
They did, that's literally the link at the top of the thread. And people are finding excuses to belittle and dismiss it. At some point you just have to admit that you don't respect people, instead of finding excuses.
- kodyo 4y ago
  This appears to be the opinion of the three people who signed their name to the post on this particular website, who appear to have nominated themselves to speak on behalf of the Apache tribes. There's not even an About Us page that describes their tribal influence. I'm not dismissing the feelings of anybody other than these three people who are claiming a grievance. If the movement grows, I'll reconsider.
  - nerdponx 4y ago
    What's the threshold above which a grievance becomes legitimate? Who determines it?
    - kodyo 4y ago
      Your threshold appears to be three people. Mine's higher, I guess.
      - nerdponx 4y ago
        You act as if these are the only 3 people to ever express annoyance about this type of thing. These are the first 3 people you've seen complain about this specific instance. Look up what people say about the Cleveland Indians and Atlanta Braves, and similar heated debate over other sports mascots.
        kyleee 4y ago
        The reasonable thing to do would be to have this issue out to a referendum vote within the Apache community. Without knowing how the community overall actually feels about this issue it’s actually quite presumptuous for outsiders to butt in either way. The Apache community may want to prioritize other issues, or maybe indeed they’d want to focus on renaming this piece of software. I’d be much more comfortable if we let the Apache community decide before spending too much time and energy on the topic