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I don’t think so. This seems new to me. We’ve never had the ability to separate child rearing from a family/community in history. I feel like we’re decomposing

I don’t think so. This seems new to me. We’ve never had the ability to separate child rearing from a family/community in history. I feel like we’re decomposing/outsourcing all the life skills that parents used to be responsible for, but we don’t know which ones or pieces are important, so we keep rediscovering skills older generations learned indirectly/intuitively. We’re starting to realize that the bulk of education isn’t about knowledge. It’s about how to be a person and realizing we don’t know how to reach that explicitly. We’re in for a rough 50+ years as we figure all this out.

lordfrito 4y ago
> We’re in for a rough 50+ years as we figure all this out. Totally agree. It bothers me a lot. The only small comfort I take is that I won't be around anymore when the worst of it hits.
- solarmist 4y ago
  Naw. The next generation is going to be the worst I think. We’re slowly learning what is important. Just like we learned “everyone is great“ actually lowers self-esteem last generation. And this generation about the ills of social media. So I think the next 20 years will be the worst with gradual improvements also occurring.
  - lordfrito 4y ago
    I believe enough in this country and it's people, and that sanity will and does ultimately prevail. It can only get so bad before a critical mass of people vote "enough is enough, time for change". I do think it will get better. I'm excited for a future where humanity gets to have the internet, and social media, and we know how to not only navigate it, but to leverage it to make the world a better place. Just sad for the pain of the transition, and the fact I probably won't be around anymore to see it!
    - solarmist 4y ago
      Yes, I almost completely agree. Except for the voting part. To vote on a problem, you need to know the potential solutions. We barely know the questions to ask regarding what is necessary to teach a child to be a well-formed person. And laws in those cases lead to serious unintended consequences.
      - lordfrito 4y ago
        Rock bottom is the point where it hurts so bad you realize you don't have the solutions anymore, and now you're willing to try anything. Only then are you open to evaluating outside solutions. When the general public reaches that point, they will be ready to listen to any other solutions being preached. A few election cycles later there should be a "sane-ish" majority consensus on which of the new ideas seems to be working. As you said, you can't expect too much immediately.
        solarmist 4y ago
        I agree; I only hope voting doesn't come into it. Because old laws are never repealed, they are only added to.

lordfrito 4y ago

> We’re in for a rough 50+ years as we figure all this out. Totally agree. It bothers me a lot. The only small comfort I take is that I won't be around anymore when the worst of it hits.

solarmist 4y ago
Naw. The next generation is going to be the worst I think. We’re slowly learning what is important. Just like we learned “everyone is great“ actually lowers self-esteem last generation. And this generation about the ills of social media. So I think the next 20 years will be the worst with gradual improvements also occurring.
- lordfrito 4y ago
  I believe enough in this country and it's people, and that sanity will and does ultimately prevail. It can only get so bad before a critical mass of people vote "enough is enough, time for change". I do think it will get better. I'm excited for a future where humanity gets to have the internet, and social media, and we know how to not only navigate it, but to leverage it to make the world a better place. Just sad for the pain of the transition, and the fact I probably won't be around anymore to see it!
  - solarmist 4y ago
    Yes, I almost completely agree. Except for the voting part. To vote on a problem, you need to know the potential solutions. We barely know the questions to ask regarding what is necessary to teach a child to be a well-formed person. And laws in those cases lead to serious unintended consequences.
    - lordfrito 4y ago
      Rock bottom is the point where it hurts so bad you realize you don't have the solutions anymore, and now you're willing to try anything. Only then are you open to evaluating outside solutions. When the general public reaches that point, they will be ready to listen to any other solutions being preached. A few election cycles later there should be a "sane-ish" majority consensus on which of the new ideas seems to be working. As you said, you can't expect too much immediately.
      - solarmist 4y ago
        I agree; I only hope voting doesn't come into it. Because old laws are never repealed, they are only added to.