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Have you looked into the statistics of how many people succeed in suicide, world-wide, from knives, homemade explosives, sticks, screwdrivers, vs. how many succ

Have you looked into the statistics of how many people succeed in suicide, world-wide, from knives, homemade explosives, sticks, screwdrivers, vs. how many succeed in suicide from firearms? I mean, have you? If you haven't, then why would you bring them up as "problems"? Or are you just spit-balling?

kobalsky 4y ago
Disclaimer: I'm not from the US. I don't understand this importance of that metric. The US has a high suicide rate but there are EU contries with a much lower guns per capita that have similar suicide rate. Sweden has a rate of 12.4 vs 14.5 suicides in the US per 100k people [1], yet the guns-per-100-persons in Sweden is 23.1 vs 120.5 in the US [2]. An undeducated glance of the numbers shows that people tend to hang themselves when guns are not readily available like in the US [3]. How much do you think suicide will drop in the US if you removed all weapons overnight? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649482/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649482/
- VikingCoder 4y ago
  You haven't answered my question. What is the suicide rate from knives? You specifically brought up knives as a "problem." Your word. What is the suicide rate from homemade explosives? Sticks? Screwdrivers? You brought those up as "problems." The evidence I have seen makes me believe that suicide in otherwise healthy individuals seems to be a fleeting goal. It's not as though someone becomes set upon their decision, and continues attempting it until they succeed, for the vast majority of people. Thus, when someone has the temporary motive of suicide, and they have a firearm available, they tend to succeed. When they have a temporary motive of suicide, but they don't have a firearm available, they succeed less often. I get that the burden would be on me to argue that perspective with evidence, and I'm not going to be able to provide it any time soon, and I apologize for that. But since you brought up the "problems" of knives, homemade explosives, sticks, and screwdrivers, again, I have to ask - do you have any evidence that those are worth being described as "problems"?
  - kobalsky 4y ago
    I failed to mention that I was not the original commenter. > Thus, when someone has the temporary motive of suicide, and they have a firearm available, they tend to succeed. When they have a temporary motive of suicide, but they don't have a firearm available, they succeed less often. To my, I repeat, uneducated eyes, the statistics I posted seem to show that people simply hang themselves when they don't have guns, but I cannot say with any kind of guarantee that this is correct. I don't like drawing such strong conclusions because I know it's not that simple to read statistics. If you can support your claims with data I'd love to read it.
    - VikingCoder 4y ago
      Came across this: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-... That to me shows that 82.5% of those who attempt suicide by firearms succeed, whereas the next causes are drowning 65%, hanging 61%, gas 41%, jumping 34%, then all the way down to drugs 1.5%, cutting 1.2%.
allanmacgregor 4y ago
Canadian goverment doesn't care about suicide in fact they encourage it :D or is it only okay when is goverment assisted ?

kobalsky 4y ago

Disclaimer: I'm not from the US. I don't understand this importance of that metric. The US has a high suicide rate but there are EU contries with a much lower guns per capita that have similar suicide rate. Sweden has a rate of 12.4 vs 14.5 suicides in the US per 100k people [1], yet the guns-per-100-persons in Sweden is 23.1 vs 120.5 in the US [2]. An undeducated glance of the numbers shows that people tend to hang themselves when guns are not readily available like in the US [3]. How much do you think suicide will drop in the US if you removed all weapons overnight? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649482/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649482/

VikingCoder 4y ago
You haven't answered my question. What is the suicide rate from knives? You specifically brought up knives as a "problem." Your word. What is the suicide rate from homemade explosives? Sticks? Screwdrivers? You brought those up as "problems." The evidence I have seen makes me believe that suicide in otherwise healthy individuals seems to be a fleeting goal. It's not as though someone becomes set upon their decision, and continues attempting it until they succeed, for the vast majority of people. Thus, when someone has the temporary motive of suicide, and they have a firearm available, they tend to succeed. When they have a temporary motive of suicide, but they don't have a firearm available, they succeed less often. I get that the burden would be on me to argue that perspective with evidence, and I'm not going to be able to provide it any time soon, and I apologize for that. But since you brought up the "problems" of knives, homemade explosives, sticks, and screwdrivers, again, I have to ask - do you have any evidence that those are worth being described as "problems"?
- kobalsky 4y ago
  I failed to mention that I was not the original commenter. > Thus, when someone has the temporary motive of suicide, and they have a firearm available, they tend to succeed. When they have a temporary motive of suicide, but they don't have a firearm available, they succeed less often. To my, I repeat, uneducated eyes, the statistics I posted seem to show that people simply hang themselves when they don't have guns, but I cannot say with any kind of guarantee that this is correct. I don't like drawing such strong conclusions because I know it's not that simple to read statistics. If you can support your claims with data I'd love to read it.
  - VikingCoder 4y ago
    Came across this: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-... That to me shows that 82.5% of those who attempt suicide by firearms succeed, whereas the next causes are drowning 65%, hanging 61%, gas 41%, jumping 34%, then all the way down to drugs 1.5%, cutting 1.2%.

allanmacgregor 4y ago

Canadian goverment doesn't care about suicide in fact they encourage it :D or is it only okay when is goverment assisted ?