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> but weirdly you don't see things like implicit return that's been a thing in ruby since probably forever and it's one of the defining things about it

ravi-delia 4y ago
And Elixir, from both parents. Ruby is an odd duck in a lot of ways, being so lisp- and smalltalk-inspired. It also only has expressions- another functionalish feature that seems like a total no-brainer. Beyond Ruby though, we just aren't looking at a huge number of dynamic languages with these features.
tmtvl 4y ago
Ruby might have taken that from Perl, which also implicitly returns the last evaluated statement in a subroutine.
- weaksauce 4y ago
  probably did... ruby took a lot from perl... also took a lot from many other languages but perl probably the most
  - lilith_of_debts 4y ago
    Fun fact: Matz was a lisper prior to creating ruby. He even wrote an email client entirely in Emacs lisp. Not wrong that ruby took a lot from perl, but it was heavily influenced by lisp and smalltalk and I'd personally argue those are the two largest influences. It does seem that ruby was specifically designed to grab Perl programmers though. Several features match exactly.
- EFreethought 4y ago
  And maybe Perl got it from Lisp. It seems like the longer I am in software development, I find out that more and more things came from Lisp.
  - wglb 4y ago
    Agree, but it did kind of borrow the format statement from Fortran.
srcreigh 4y ago
It’s also a thing in Rust and other functional languages such as Haskell, Scala
- ravi-delia 4y ago
  Absolutely, but not in dynamic languages. Elixir (well, and Erlang) and Ruby are the only non-lisp dynamic languages I'm aware of with the feature. It's not the only thing I like, but it's a major component of the "functionalish" features that I really like and mostly see attached to static functional languages. Rust is fairly mainstream, and I think a step in the right direction. Honestly I suspect that many people who like Rust actually just like a fast systems language with niceties like implicit return and iterators.
- weaksauce 4y ago
  rust is interesting but also a decent amount of ruby folk went to rust... i have no clue if they were part of the building of rust or not but the bundler people went to rust and made the package manager for rust too. the OP was talking about dynamic languages... haskell and scala are not too surprising that they have implicit returns since they are functional paradigms foremost.
  - culebron21 4y ago
    Julia has it as well.
    - ravi-delia 4y ago
      I hear Julia is quite lisp-y in general, so that makes sense. I've been meaning to get around to it regardless- it seems like it could be a lot more ergonomic than relying on numpy.

ravi-delia 4y ago

And Elixir, from both parents. Ruby is an odd duck in a lot of ways, being so lisp- and smalltalk-inspired. It also only has expressions- another functionalish feature that seems like a total no-brainer. Beyond Ruby though, we just aren't looking at a huge number of dynamic languages with these features.

tmtvl 4y ago

Ruby might have taken that from Perl, which also implicitly returns the last evaluated statement in a subroutine.

weaksauce 4y ago
probably did... ruby took a lot from perl... also took a lot from many other languages but perl probably the most
- lilith_of_debts 4y ago
  Fun fact: Matz was a lisper prior to creating ruby. He even wrote an email client entirely in Emacs lisp. Not wrong that ruby took a lot from perl, but it was heavily influenced by lisp and smalltalk and I'd personally argue those are the two largest influences. It does seem that ruby was specifically designed to grab Perl programmers though. Several features match exactly.
EFreethought 4y ago
And maybe Perl got it from Lisp. It seems like the longer I am in software development, I find out that more and more things came from Lisp.
- wglb 4y ago
  Agree, but it did kind of borrow the format statement from Fortran.

srcreigh 4y ago

It’s also a thing in Rust and other functional languages such as Haskell, Scala

ravi-delia 4y ago
Absolutely, but not in dynamic languages. Elixir (well, and Erlang) and Ruby are the only non-lisp dynamic languages I'm aware of with the feature. It's not the only thing I like, but it's a major component of the "functionalish" features that I really like and mostly see attached to static functional languages. Rust is fairly mainstream, and I think a step in the right direction. Honestly I suspect that many people who like Rust actually just like a fast systems language with niceties like implicit return and iterators.
weaksauce 4y ago
rust is interesting but also a decent amount of ruby folk went to rust... i have no clue if they were part of the building of rust or not but the bundler people went to rust and made the package manager for rust too. the OP was talking about dynamic languages... haskell and scala are not too surprising that they have implicit returns since they are functional paradigms foremost.
- culebron21 4y ago
  Julia has it as well.
  - ravi-delia 4y ago
    I hear Julia is quite lisp-y in general, so that makes sense. I've been meaning to get around to it regardless- it seems like it could be a lot more ergonomic than relying on numpy.