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>Most New Yorkers pay a full-time minimum wage salary in rent every year (or more). It used to be unsustainable for the working class here, now it's unsustainab
by nobody9999 4y ago
>Most New Yorkers pay a full-time minimum wage salary in rent every year (or more). It used to be unsustainable for the working class here, now it's unsustainable for anyone but the very rich here.
As as New Yorker with a rent stabilized lease[0], I pay about half in rent what my neighbors do.
Even so, my monthly nut (rent/utilities/ISP/etc., not counting food and other consumables) is ~$4,000.
I could probably cut that to $3,500 or so if I wanted, but not much less.
Add in food, toilet paper, toothpaste, etc. and I'm easily at $4,750-$5000 a month.
That number doesn't include clothing, laundry, hair cuts, doctor visits, transportation and some other stuff, so it's actually a bit higher.
But let's just work with $5,000/month for the moment. That's $60,000/annum net income that's required. As a ballpark (counting FICA, NYC, NYS and Federal taxes), a minimum gross salary of $95,000-$100,000 is required to support that.
But that's just basic necessities. And don't forget, I pay ~1/2 what my neighbors do in rent. So for other folks it's even more onerous.
There certainly are less expensive places to live in NYC, but with my stabilized lease, not so much less expensive for a comparable place, even in the outer boroughs.
So let's assume a single person making minimum wage (in NY, that's $15/hour) and actually able to get 40 hours of work per week.
That's $600/week or $31,200/annum gross pay. Which, including FICA, NYC, NYS and Federal taxes, comes out to ~26%. Meaning net pay is ~$23,000/annum or ~$1,900/month.
According to most recommendations, one shouldn't spend more than 30% of net income on housing. For a minimum wage worker in NYC, that's about $600/month.
And since the median rent in NYC is $3,395/month, a minimum wage worker would need at least two roommates to afford such an apartment and still be paying ~50% of their income on rent.
Yes, half the rentals are less than that. And half are more.
So yes, people can survive on minimum wage and would still be tight making the national median[1] income (~$70,000/annum in 2021).
But even at the US Median income, it's not a "Living Wage" which implies the ability to meet your immediate needs and have a least a small surplus.
So it should come as no surprise that the median income for a single person in NYC is ~93,000, some three times minimum wage.
What does all this say? That NYC is very expensive (housing is the biggest issue) and even those making $100,000/annum are likely to need to make tradeoffs. And someone making minimum wage ($31,200/annum) or even the national median income (~$70,000/annum) will have trouble making ends meet.
[0] https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/rent-stabilization/ https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/...
[1] https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2022/demo/p60-276.html https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2022/demo/p60-27...
[2] https://www.nyc.gov/site/hpd/services-and-information/area-median-income.page https://www.nyc.gov/site/hpd/services-and-information/area-m...
- librish 4y agoHow large / where is is your place if your neighbors pay $8000 a month to rent it?
- nobody9999 4y ago>How large / where is is your place if your neighbors pay $8000 a month to rent it? I didn't say my rent was $4,000 a month. I said my monthly nut (rent, utilities, insurance, ISP, excluding food, clothing, transportation, medical expenses, etc., etc., etc.) was ~$4,000/month. My place is significantly smaller than a double-wide trailer. And my rent bill is my business and that of my landlord.[0] Have a good day! [0] Since rent stabilized leases have an upper limit to the rent charged to remain rent stabilized, you can get an upper limit to that with a little research. Good luck. Edit: Added additional info about my rent.
- librish 4y agoFor most people if they're paying $4000 a month the majority of that is going towards rent. Utilities, insurance (for a renter), ISP will rarely be over $500 a month, but maybe one of these things is really expensive in your location.
- nobody9999 4y agoYep. My rent is more than half of my monthly nut. Why would you think otherwise based on what I said? My renter's insurance is ~$100/year. The bigger issue (for me at least) is the ~$1,000/month (plus $600 deductible and $40 copays) I pay for crappy health insurance.
- librish 4y agoYou said: > I pay about half in rent what my neighbors do. I assumed that most of your $4,000 a month was going towards rent, which would mean your neighbors are paying close to $8,000 a month. That's a very large number so I asked about that. This was apparently wrong enough for you to want to correct me (without saying what your neighbors actually pay). That made me then try to understand if you have really high fees. This also doesn't seem to be the case.