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> And Labour invaded another sovereign country illegally and set a lot of the groundwork for this current problem of the NHS having to continually sell its asse

by rcarr 4y ago

> And Labour invaded another sovereign country illegally and set a lot of the groundwork for this current problem of the NHS having to continually sell its assets (such as real estate). Yes I don’t agree with the Iraq war. But Labour didn’t run an election campaign based on not going to war in Iraq before getting elected and then going to war in Iraq. Or in the case of what the Lib Dems did, going to war with Iraq plus another two countries on top (200% increase). Iraq had no part to play in the election. I can’t comment on the NHS part because I don’t know specifically what this ground work is you’re talking about. > And the Conservatives are the ones who actually instrumented those policies you dislike. This is bullshit, it was a minority coalition government, if both parties didn’t vote for it it wouldn’t have passed. The Lib Dems are equally as responsible as the tories. > Lib Dems went for electoral reform in the gambit of making it a more representative democracy; a gambit which lost. This is one take. The other is that the Lib Dems voted for what was in the best interest of the Lib Dems (had they have won) and dropped all their other principles and pledges to the people that voted for them. All the parties are rotten but as I say, I will never vote for the Lib Dems because of the direct consequences their decisions have had on my life. And I don’t think that makes me a hypocrite.

dijit 4y ago
Electoral reform was also an advertised manifesto pledge. A pretty huge one actually: "a fair deal by cleaning up politics". My key point here is that, while I understand you feel betrayed, the other parties are quite literally breaking their pledges left and right. The main difference is that it seems to get not that much media attention. That you wouldn't vote for someone who made a compromise against their values: but might vote for a purported anti-semite[0] or an actual racist homophobe[1] is disquieting. [0]: Corbyn being accused of being an anti-semite is of course a load of tosh spun by the right wing media machine [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johnson-caught-on-camera-reciting-kipling-in-myanmar-temple https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johns... & https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-bum-boys-homophobic-free-speech-election-tory-lgbt-a9224491.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson... & the numerous comments regarding "letter boxes"
spiralx 4y ago
Electoral reform has been central to the Lib Dems plank since they first formed, of course they were going to go for the one shot at it they were ever likely to get. I was pissed off with them at the time as well, but in hindsight I was pretty ignorant of most of their platform at the time, which meant it was my unrealistic expectations of them that were broken, nothing more.

by rcarr 4y ago

dijit 4y ago

Electoral reform was also an advertised manifesto pledge. A pretty huge one actually: "a fair deal by cleaning up politics". My key point here is that, while I understand you feel betrayed, the other parties are quite literally breaking their pledges left and right. The main difference is that it seems to get not that much media attention. That you wouldn't vote for someone who made a compromise against their values: but might vote for a purported anti-semite[0] or an actual racist homophobe[1] is disquieting. [0]: Corbyn being accused of being an anti-semite is of course a load of tosh spun by the right wing media machine [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johnson-caught-on-camera-reciting-kipling-in-myanmar-temple https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/boris-johns... & https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-bum-boys-homophobic-free-speech-election-tory-lgbt-a9224491.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson... & the numerous comments regarding "letter boxes"

spiralx 4y ago

Electoral reform has been central to the Lib Dems plank since they first formed, of course they were going to go for the one shot at it they were ever likely to get. I was pissed off with them at the time as well, but in hindsight I was pretty ignorant of most of their platform at the time, which meant it was my unrealistic expectations of them that were broken, nothing more.