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> especially AMD https://www.anandtech.com/show/17601/intel-core-i9-13900k-and-i5-13600k-review/8 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17601/intel-core-i9-13900k-an.

> especially AMD https://www.anandtech.com/show/17601/intel-core-i9-13900k-and-i5-13600k-review/8 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17601/intel-core-i9-13900k-an... Intel Core i9 13900K has a TDP of 125/253 (base/turbo) but draws 334W (peak). 81W or 32% over max turbo TDP, 209W or 167% over base. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X has a TDP of 105W but draws 142W (peak). 37W or 35% over. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X has a TDP of 170W but draws 221W (peak). 51W or 30% over. AMD Ryzen 9 7900 has a TDP of 65W but draws 90W (peak). 25W or 38% over. So slightly higher % wise on some chips, but not outside the ballpark by any means. I don't think Intel is doing us any favors!

jeffbee 4y ago
The "K" in 13900K stands for "draws as much current as physically possible." The ones without the K are a little more mainstream, and were just recently released.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  They were released, but they weren't publicized, nor were they seeded to reviewers. In other words, unlike the non-X Zen 4's, the non-K Intel Raptor Lakes likely perform a lot worse than the Intel K's.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    I'm not sure that's really going to be the case. E.g. the 13900 a score in CineBench R23 Multi close to the best AMD CPU in this article, just a few % off the 13900K.
    - kllrnohj 4y ago
      In highly multithreaded workloads the 13900 probably does fine (24 cores are 24 cores). It's the lightly threaded and gaming workloads where it's expected to suffer the most. Especially since the L2 cache is also cut on some of the non-K parts, which might be a first. The 13600 drops from 20mb on the k to 11.5mb on the non-K, that's a big drop.
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        It's the heavily threaded workloads that will suffer the most. In a single threaded workload that single core can get as much power as it wants in both K and non-K. In a multi-threaded workload the cores are power limited, and K has a lot more power than non-K so the effect of power throttling is felt more on non-K.
        kllrnohj 4y ago
        Heavily threaded will suffer the most between the K & non-K, but not necessarily enough to drop below the "only" 16-core competition which was the comparison point here, not the K version. Especially since it's primarily the 8 P-cores that are really going to be impacted in such a scenario. Hence why I specified "lightly threaded" not "single threaded" workloads. There's a whole huge market of workloads that sit at around 4-8 threads. They're called "video games" and it's what Intel has been bragging about being the best at for a while. The new crop of non-K's look prime to suffer the most in this workload relative to AMD's non-X competition.
        jeffbee 4y ago
        On the contrary, the other article at the top of Anandtech right now shows that the K-series CPUs don't benefit from higher power levels in games. As far as games are concerned they might as well be 95W CPUs.
        kllrnohj 4y ago
        Anandtech sadly only tested 2 games in a fairly narrow set of parameters. If you look at 13900K reviews, such as this one by techpowerup: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-13900k/22.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-13900k/22.h... you'll see gaming loads where the 13900K uses well past 120w. Civ 6, for example, sits at nearly 190w. But also again remember the 13600 non-K has much less L2 than the 13600k. It's not just a power/turbo restriction. But we'll see for sure when the 13th gen non-K reviews happen. That Intel didn't sample these to reviewers isn't a great sign, though.

jeffbee 4y ago

The "K" in 13900K stands for "draws as much current as physically possible." The ones without the K are a little more mainstream, and were just recently released.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
They were released, but they weren't publicized, nor were they seeded to reviewers. In other words, unlike the non-X Zen 4's, the non-K Intel Raptor Lakes likely perform a lot worse than the Intel K's.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  I'm not sure that's really going to be the case. E.g. the 13900 a score in CineBench R23 Multi close to the best AMD CPU in this article, just a few % off the 13900K.
  - kllrnohj 4y ago
    In highly multithreaded workloads the 13900 probably does fine (24 cores are 24 cores). It's the lightly threaded and gaming workloads where it's expected to suffer the most. Especially since the L2 cache is also cut on some of the non-K parts, which might be a first. The 13600 drops from 20mb on the k to 11.5mb on the non-K, that's a big drop.
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      It's the heavily threaded workloads that will suffer the most. In a single threaded workload that single core can get as much power as it wants in both K and non-K. In a multi-threaded workload the cores are power limited, and K has a lot more power than non-K so the effect of power throttling is felt more on non-K.
      - kllrnohj 4y ago
        Heavily threaded will suffer the most between the K & non-K, but not necessarily enough to drop below the "only" 16-core competition which was the comparison point here, not the K version. Especially since it's primarily the 8 P-cores that are really going to be impacted in such a scenario. Hence why I specified "lightly threaded" not "single threaded" workloads. There's a whole huge market of workloads that sit at around 4-8 threads. They're called "video games" and it's what Intel has been bragging about being the best at for a while. The new crop of non-K's look prime to suffer the most in this workload relative to AMD's non-X competition.
        jeffbee 4y ago
        On the contrary, the other article at the top of Anandtech right now shows that the K-series CPUs don't benefit from higher power levels in games. As far as games are concerned they might as well be 95W CPUs.
        kllrnohj 4y ago
        Anandtech sadly only tested 2 games in a fairly narrow set of parameters. If you look at 13900K reviews, such as this one by techpowerup: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-13900k/22.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-13900k/22.h... you'll see gaming loads where the 13900K uses well past 120w. Civ 6, for example, sits at nearly 190w. But also again remember the 13600 non-K has much less L2 than the 13600k. It's not just a power/turbo restriction. But we'll see for sure when the 13th gen non-K reviews happen. That Intel didn't sample these to reviewers isn't a great sign, though.