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Comparing every single thing to the evils of nazism and communism is a bit too trite. I know that most people default to last century's events because they are
by AstixAndBelix 4y ago
Comparing every single thing to the evils of nazism and communism is a bit too trite. I know that most people default to last century's events because they are the only ones fresh enough to have a grasp on, but deleting people from inscriptions, annals, murals, paintings, coins, etc. has been a common practice throughout history.
Saying "this is just like what emperor Flavius did!" causes a lot less outrage than saying "this is just like what Stalin did!", even though they are both true. This is why, unless a phenomenon was exclusive to a certain ideology, I feel like constantly mentioning nazis and commies is just a rethorical tool
- Wildgoose 4y agoAnd has recently taken off in a big way - removing statues, replacing names and generally purging history.
- AstixAndBelix 4y agoHow do you know it has taken off? When a new roman emperor took place he mobilized an incredible amount of people to replace as much stuff as possible from the previous ruler at a scale hardly comparable to what's happening today
- consumer451 4y agoStatues and names of military bases for example, celebrate people. As far as I am aware history is mostly doing just fine in history books and places like Wikipedia. No need to conflate these things, is there?
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoDo you have specific examples you're thinking of, specifically regarding "purging history"? My university degree is in history and I have never used statutes or building names to study, but it's hard to have a discussion when the meat of the argument is only obliquely hinted at.
- pjc50 4y agoShould never have pulled down that big statue of Saddam Hussein.
- tgv 4y agoTrue, but on the other hand, the people that did it are well aware of that, too. And they still do it. Although this is not Stalin's playbook, of course. Just a minor part of it.
- mcv 4y agoIt's not like someone is building a highway and I'm saying "just like Hitler!". This is erasing recently disgraced people from photos in order to misrepresent facts. Although I suppose we could also say "just like Vogue!" (or whichever fashion magazine is most guilty of photoshopping people).
- AstixAndBelix 4y ago>This is erasing recently disgraced people from photos in order to misrepresent facts. Which has been done since forever. People in the past didn't erase others only after they were long gone. Someone could quickly fall out of favor and have many of his depiction and documents already altered in a single year.
- mcv 4y agoI don't think it's something that has always been universally common. Erasing people like that is something that mostly the Soviet Union was known for. And possibly China or other dictatorships, but it's something you mostly see in propaganda from dictatorships. It's quite unusual to see it from the UK.
- AstixAndBelix 4y agoMy problem is with people using nazis and communists for cheap rethoric effect towards people who don't know history and eat it all up. If you knew that people have been erased since the time of the babylonians you wouldn't immediately compared what's happened to nazi Germany. It's bad that he got deleted from the photo, but that's not indicative of any particular 20th century dictatorship
- mcv 4y agoAre you telling me you did not immediately think of how people kept disappearing from Soviet photos? I think that's easily the most well-known modern example of this. It's blatantly similar. And if your argument that dictatorships outside the 20th century did it too, that still doesn't mean it's not something associated primarily with dictatorships. Can you name a modern democracy where people were erased like that?