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> type of Covid vaccine has been linked to a small rise in cases of heart inflammation and scarring (pericarditis and myocarditis). But this particular vaccine

> type of Covid vaccine has been linked to a small rise in cases of heart inflammation and scarring (pericarditis and myocarditis). But this particular vaccine side-effect was mainly seen in boys and young men, while the excess deaths are highest in older men - aged 50 or more. Alternative explanation. You only see the heart inflammation in young men because its unusual. In older people you already have it because of age so extra inflammation could go undetected.

kenjackson 4y ago
That’s not an explanation. That’s just making something up with no data to support it.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  Using as much data as BBC is using here which is none.
kdjkdjk 4y ago
and well, COVID being fundamentally a cardiovascular disease might be an actual alternative explanation :)
- tremon 4y ago
  > https://www.healthline.com/health/covid-respiratory-or-vascular https://www.healthline.com/health/covid-respiratory-or-vascu... Why COVID-19 is considered to be a respiratory disease Medical professionals and researchers have been studying the link between COVID-19 and vascular symptoms since the beginning of the pandemic [..] These observations led to several hypotheses that COVID-19 was a vascular disease with respiratory symptoms and not a respiratory disease. Studies in 2020 and 2021 supported this theory. These studies concluded that although people with mild to moderate COVID-19 only had respiratory symptoms, COVID-19 was primarily a vascular disease. However, additional studies published later in 2021 and into 2022 have contraindicated these findings. New studies indicate that COVID-19 doesn’t attack the vascular system at all.
empthought 4y ago
"Finally, figures up to June 2022 looking at deaths from all causes show unvaccinated people were more likely to die than vaccinated people. While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around."

kenjackson 4y ago

That’s not an explanation. That’s just making something up with no data to support it.

ekianjo 4y ago
Using as much data as BBC is using here which is none.

kdjkdjk 4y ago

and well, COVID being fundamentally a cardiovascular disease might be an actual alternative explanation :)

tremon 4y ago
> https://www.healthline.com/health/covid-respiratory-or-vascular https://www.healthline.com/health/covid-respiratory-or-vascu... Why COVID-19 is considered to be a respiratory disease Medical professionals and researchers have been studying the link between COVID-19 and vascular symptoms since the beginning of the pandemic [..] These observations led to several hypotheses that COVID-19 was a vascular disease with respiratory symptoms and not a respiratory disease. Studies in 2020 and 2021 supported this theory. These studies concluded that although people with mild to moderate COVID-19 only had respiratory symptoms, COVID-19 was primarily a vascular disease. However, additional studies published later in 2021 and into 2022 have contraindicated these findings. New studies indicate that COVID-19 doesn’t attack the vascular system at all.

empthought 4y ago

"Finally, figures up to June 2022 looking at deaths from all causes show unvaccinated people were more likely to die than vaccinated people. While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around."