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Given how little covid testing is happening, is there a chance we're undercounting ongoing covid mortality?

ekianjo 4y ago
If people are dying so much from covid then the vaccines are completely useless since they were supposed to reduce mortality.
- flipbrad 4y ago
  I don't think you are engaging very deeply in thought here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63548270 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63548270
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    Notice the IF in the start of my sentence.
- kdjkdjk 4y ago
  They do so successfully, but wane quite quickly. Few people are taking booster shots so their protection diminishes over time.
  - thinking4real 4y ago
    “The vaccines are a success… but you need to take more vaccines to be protected” Surely you can see that the goal posts have been shifted from the days of “the vaccine is our road back to normalcy” and similar mantras when they first were pushed? It was originally touted as the solution. Many people who were silenced, fired, or worse, were silenced from objecting with the idea that “this isn’t a solution, I’d rather not” And now we’re saying it was a rousing success, yet it isn’t enough at the same time… The doublespeak is astounding
kdjkdjk 4y ago
Yes and no. More people are also having more health issues because of a weakened immunse system (due to prior COVID infections). The "direct" link might not necessarily be made, but there's definite increased mortality as a consequence of COVID policies.
neffy 4y ago
Hard to be sure, but I would suspect very probably, although perhaps not for that reason. Long covid is real, and statistically significant. Heart and blood stream involvement issues with covid have also been apparent from the start. Put that together and any uptick in heart attacks, strokes, etc. might well be longer term consequences of Covid, and put that together with overloaded health systems, and not just in the UK. It's not just a flu.
napier 4y ago
This is absolutely possible, alongside difficult to test and disaggregate for realities of post-Covid and long/chronic Covid sequelae that aren't even on the health quant analysis radar for the most part, despite the wealth of mechanistic and stochastic dots that remain unconnected, at least in official public utterances.
guilhas 4y ago
They will test you as soon as you go to the GP or hospital So I think if they was a relevant uptake in COVID cases that would be news everywhere

If people are dying so much from covid then the vaccines are completely useless since they were supposed to reduce mortality.

flipbrad 4y ago
I don't think you are engaging very deeply in thought here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63548270 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63548270
- ekianjo 4y ago
  Notice the IF in the start of my sentence.
kdjkdjk 4y ago
They do so successfully, but wane quite quickly. Few people are taking booster shots so their protection diminishes over time.
- thinking4real 4y ago
  “The vaccines are a success… but you need to take more vaccines to be protected” Surely you can see that the goal posts have been shifted from the days of “the vaccine is our road back to normalcy” and similar mantras when they first were pushed? It was originally touted as the solution. Many people who were silenced, fired, or worse, were silenced from objecting with the idea that “this isn’t a solution, I’d rather not” And now we’re saying it was a rousing success, yet it isn’t enough at the same time… The doublespeak is astounding

kdjkdjk 4y ago

Yes and no. More people are also having more health issues because of a weakened immunse system (due to prior COVID infections). The "direct" link might not necessarily be made, but there's definite increased mortality as a consequence of COVID policies.

neffy 4y ago

Hard to be sure, but I would suspect very probably, although perhaps not for that reason. Long covid is real, and statistically significant. Heart and blood stream involvement issues with covid have also been apparent from the start. Put that together and any uptick in heart attacks, strokes, etc. might well be longer term consequences of Covid, and put that together with overloaded health systems, and not just in the UK. It's not just a flu.

napier 4y ago

This is absolutely possible, alongside difficult to test and disaggregate for realities of post-Covid and long/chronic Covid sequelae that aren't even on the health quant analysis radar for the most part, despite the wealth of mechanistic and stochastic dots that remain unconnected, at least in official public utterances.

guilhas 4y ago

They will test you as soon as you go to the GP or hospital So I think if they was a relevant uptake in COVID cases that would be news everywhere