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Not sure if i'm missing something, however both Grafana and InfluxDB also default to sending data back: https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/setup-grafana/c

Not sure if i'm missing something, however both Grafana and InfluxDB also default to sending data back: https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/setup-grafana/configure-grafana/#analytics https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/setup-grafana/config... https://docs.influxdata.com/influxdb/v1.8/administration/config/#reporting-disabled--false https://docs.influxdata.com/influxdb/v1.8/administration/con... So... by default, i assume whatever i'm using is spying on me, until proven otherwise - and yes, that's kinda depressing... (and one more reason to use something like Pi-Hole to have at least some attempt to throw a wrench into that practice)

debugnik 4y ago
I guess the point is opt-in by definition implies a default to false. This is opt-out. Even worse is the existence of allowChangingOptInStatus which completely contradicts the meanings of both opt-in and opt-out.
- jraph 4y ago
  > allowChangingOptInStatus which completely contradicts the meanings of both opt-in and opt-out I could imagine a sysadmin wanting to prevent users from enabling telemetry from the web interface by setting allowChangingOptInStatus to false and telemetry.optIn to false. That's not bad, especially since allowChangingOptInStatus is true by default. (IIUC)
CitizenKane 4y ago
I work at Grafana Labs, and this isn't an official statement by any means, just my personal perspective, but we pretty much need some type of tracking to hold us accountable and get a general idea of how widely Grafana is deployed. You can actually see exactly what is tracked here https://github.com/grafana/grafana/blob/main/pkg/infra/usagestats/service/usage_stats.go#L33 https://github.com/grafana/grafana/blob/main/pkg/infra/usage... and beyond basic statistics we collect an anonymous ID which is a random UUID which we have no way to correlate back to the running instance (and which can easily be reset).
sofixa 4y ago
Might be an unpopular opinion around here, but I think that a random software vendor collecting anonymous basic usage statistics (user XXXXXXXXXXXX runs version a.b.c, with plugins z,w.e.y enabled) is not spying on you, and is totally justified. You and others like you are trivialising the much closer to spying on you done by data hoarders like Facebook, Google, TikTok, and the actual spying done by NSA, CIA, MI6, etc. etc. by lumping everything together. Usage statistics are super important, especially for freemium (open source with optional Enterprise) software. It's not like they have any other way of knowing which feature is actually used, needs improvement, can be safely deprecated, etc. Would I prefer for it to be opt-in? Yes. Do I understand why they would default to collection considering close to nobody would go out of their way to enable it? Yes.
aendruk 4y ago
I think what you missed is this situation being described as “opt in”, a new low.

debugnik 4y ago

I guess the point is opt-in by definition implies a default to false. This is opt-out. Even worse is the existence of allowChangingOptInStatus which completely contradicts the meanings of both opt-in and opt-out.

jraph 4y ago
> allowChangingOptInStatus which completely contradicts the meanings of both opt-in and opt-out I could imagine a sysadmin wanting to prevent users from enabling telemetry from the web interface by setting allowChangingOptInStatus to false and telemetry.optIn to false. That's not bad, especially since allowChangingOptInStatus is true by default. (IIUC)

CitizenKane 4y ago

I work at Grafana Labs, and this isn't an official statement by any means, just my personal perspective, but we pretty much need some type of tracking to hold us accountable and get a general idea of how widely Grafana is deployed. You can actually see exactly what is tracked here https://github.com/grafana/grafana/blob/main/pkg/infra/usagestats/service/usage_stats.go#L33 https://github.com/grafana/grafana/blob/main/pkg/infra/usage... and beyond basic statistics we collect an anonymous ID which is a random UUID which we have no way to correlate back to the running instance (and which can easily be reset).

sofixa 4y ago

Might be an unpopular opinion around here, but I think that a random software vendor collecting anonymous basic usage statistics (user XXXXXXXXXXXX runs version a.b.c, with plugins z,w.e.y enabled) is not spying on you, and is totally justified. You and others like you are trivialising the much closer to spying on you done by data hoarders like Facebook, Google, TikTok, and the actual spying done by NSA, CIA, MI6, etc. etc. by lumping everything together. Usage statistics are super important, especially for freemium (open source with optional Enterprise) software. It's not like they have any other way of knowing which feature is actually used, needs improvement, can be safely deprecated, etc. Would I prefer for it to be opt-in? Yes. Do I understand why they would default to collection considering close to nobody would go out of their way to enable it? Yes.

aendruk 4y ago

I think what you missed is this situation being described as “opt in”, a new low.