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> Aren't Democrats Putin agents for not providing more aid to Ukraine though? Zelenskyy clearly has said they need more, so the logical conclusion is that Putin

> Aren't Democrats Putin agents for not providing more aid to Ukraine though? Zelenskyy clearly has said they need more, so the logical conclusion is that Putin ordered those in power to reject those requests and only provide a reduced amount of aid. There is nothing logical about your statement. The US government, thanks to Biden's administration, is by far Ukraine's largest backer.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
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- simplotek 4y ago
  > Ahh, trying to deflect the spotlight from your comrades, eh Ivan? Your ad hominem makes it clear that you have no arguments to present. I don't have a dog in the US domestic politics race. I'm neither a US citizen nor live anywhere close to the US. I do have some knowledge into the volume of support from Ukraine's allies declared so far, and the US is by far the largest supporter. Only recently did the EU collectively surpassed the US. https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/media-information/2022/ukraine-support-tracker-europe-surpasses-the-us-in-total-committed-aid/ https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/media-information/2022/... If you have nothing productive to add, consider saying nothing.
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
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yucky 4y ago
One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. The US did something similar to Iraq against Iran in the 1980's and we also used the Mujahedeen(the basis of al-Qaeda) against the Soviets despite the long term harm it caused to the people of Afghanistan. In proxy wars, nothing is as simple as we would like.
- simplotek 4y ago
  > One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. I don't agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing for around a decade, but only recently has support ramped up to adequate levels. I recall that Germany's initial response to Russia's 2022 invasion was to pledge handing over helmets. The goal of a conflict is to win, and what represents winning really depends on your situation. In Ukraine's position, winning might mean more than forcing out Russia from it's territory. For Ukraine, winning might mean breaking Russia's willingness to continue perpetrating a genocide that's ongoing for around a decade.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Genocide?

throwawaylinux 4y ago

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simplotek 4y ago
> Ahh, trying to deflect the spotlight from your comrades, eh Ivan? Your ad hominem makes it clear that you have no arguments to present. I don't have a dog in the US domestic politics race. I'm neither a US citizen nor live anywhere close to the US. I do have some knowledge into the volume of support from Ukraine's allies declared so far, and the US is by far the largest supporter. Only recently did the EU collectively surpassed the US. https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/media-information/2022/ukraine-support-tracker-europe-surpasses-the-us-in-total-committed-aid/ https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/media-information/2022/... If you have nothing productive to add, consider saying nothing.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
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yucky 4y ago

One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. The US did something similar to Iraq against Iran in the 1980's and we also used the Mujahedeen(the basis of al-Qaeda) against the Soviets despite the long term harm it caused to the people of Afghanistan. In proxy wars, nothing is as simple as we would like.

simplotek 4y ago
> One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. I don't agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing for around a decade, but only recently has support ramped up to adequate levels. I recall that Germany's initial response to Russia's 2022 invasion was to pledge handing over helmets. The goal of a conflict is to win, and what represents winning really depends on your situation. In Ukraine's position, winning might mean more than forcing out Russia from it's territory. For Ukraine, winning might mean breaking Russia's willingness to continue perpetrating a genocide that's ongoing for around a decade.
- yucky 4y ago
  Genocide?