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You are making 'letter of the law's arguments for a very much 'spirit of the law' issue. If we just grant you are absolutely correct for argument's sake, it wou

by kuhewa 4y ago

You are making 'letter of the law's arguments for a very much 'spirit of the law' issue. If we just grant you are absolutely correct for argument's sake, it would plainly indicate the letter of the law needs to change.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
...I think the world needs to change. Students need to learn how to produce the best writing they can. If their best writing comes from feeding a prompt into ChatGPT, they should use ChatGPT. Presumably this student will also use ChatGPT in their writing post-graduation. Of course, I would expect such a student to get marked down for factual errors, logical inconsistencies, and a lack of citations! Some students, however, may take a hybrid approach, in which ChatGPT writes certain passages which the student manually cleans up. IMO, this is completely acceptable, and probably a good skill to practice! Students should learn how to use technology to produce the best work they can! There are absolutely exceptions, when you'd want a student to practice writing independently. But writing the whole thing off as "plagiarism" is going much too far!
- kuhewa 4y ago
  ChatGPT will certainly affect teaching methodology. But there's a reason why we teach students arithmetic and basic algebra without calculators, long after calculators were already ubiquitous. The same goes for composing an essay. It's not just about the ability to produce a cogent-looking essay, in the same way it isn't good enough that a kid can punch 17*13 into a calculator.
  - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
    ^ I actually think we spend too much time on arithmetic, and should let students use calculators starting earlier than we do. But, yes, calculators shouldn't always be allowed, and neither should ChatGPT. But, well, "plagiarism" is never allowed, so IMO the distinction matters!
- asdff 4y ago
  At the end of the day, its not a skill, its a crutch. There will be many times where you are asked to contribute substantially to something without having time to go and craft a prompt and return output and make sure chatgpt isn't just spitting out bullshit like its ought to do. Imagine asking someone in a meeting, "what do you think about x, can you share your perspective?" and they tell you to hold on while they pound something into their phone then read it off their screen.

by kuhewa 4y ago

Wowfunhappy 4y ago

...I think the world needs to change. Students need to learn how to produce the best writing they can. If their best writing comes from feeding a prompt into ChatGPT, they should use ChatGPT. Presumably this student will also use ChatGPT in their writing post-graduation. Of course, I would expect such a student to get marked down for factual errors, logical inconsistencies, and a lack of citations! Some students, however, may take a hybrid approach, in which ChatGPT writes certain passages which the student manually cleans up. IMO, this is completely acceptable, and probably a good skill to practice! Students should learn how to use technology to produce the best work they can! There are absolutely exceptions, when you'd want a student to practice writing independently. But writing the whole thing off as "plagiarism" is going much too far!

kuhewa 4y ago
ChatGPT will certainly affect teaching methodology. But there's a reason why we teach students arithmetic and basic algebra without calculators, long after calculators were already ubiquitous. The same goes for composing an essay. It's not just about the ability to produce a cogent-looking essay, in the same way it isn't good enough that a kid can punch 17*13 into a calculator.
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  ^ I actually think we spend too much time on arithmetic, and should let students use calculators starting earlier than we do. But, yes, calculators shouldn't always be allowed, and neither should ChatGPT. But, well, "plagiarism" is never allowed, so IMO the distinction matters!
asdff 4y ago
At the end of the day, its not a skill, its a crutch. There will be many times where you are asked to contribute substantially to something without having time to go and craft a prompt and return output and make sure chatgpt isn't just spitting out bullshit like its ought to do. Imagine asking someone in a meeting, "what do you think about x, can you share your perspective?" and they tell you to hold on while they pound something into their phone then read it off their screen.